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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

I know I'm probably going to get beat up here discussing drop spindles,but I need to lower the front of my 77 bus about 1 inch to fit it in my new parking space under my second story deck. Looking at the Empi 2 inch drop spindles for around $240 and found a place called vintage vdubs that fabricates a 2.5 drop out of my cores for $425.
I drive my bus no more that 2000 miles a year so considering the Chinese Empi spindles but don't want to die from a failed spindle. Any input as to if the Empi's are safe or should I just suck it up and pay for some good ole Merica made stuff?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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Nice but $700 for spindles, ouch!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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Nice but $700 for spindles, ouch!


You get what you pay for. Think all of the bus's front weight and turning pressure is on the front spindles. Is that really somewhere where you want to short change? Imagine driving down the road and your spindle breaks!! The geometry is off on Empi spindles and the VV are not worth it.

Cominging from 20+ years of bay experience and a little insight buy the wagenswest spindles or leave the bus stock.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

Dropped spindles lead to lots of problems - increased track or just too low if they're flipped ones. They are attractive because the beam stays on and it's just a bit of spannering... until you find the tyres hitting the arch and start on your road to fabricating bump stops, coil over shocks or whatever, it never stops at bolting on spindles. If you have early disc brakes they don't fit on many welded spindles so new brakes too, and no backing plate as they don't fir either.
For 1-2" I'd fit adjusters to the beam every time or let your tyres down a bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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For 1-2" I'd fit adjusters to the beam every time or let your tyres down a bit.


I agree, for a minor drop a beam can do a lot. Plus you avoid the issues Zed999 mentioned.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:43 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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Nice but $700 for spindles, ouch!


You get what you pay for. Think all of the bus's front weight and turning pressure is on the front spindles. Is that really somewhere where you want to short change? Imagine driving down the road and your spindle breaks!! The geometry is off on Empi spindles and the VV are not worth it.

Cominging from 20+ years of bay experience and a little insight buy the wagenswest spindles or leave the bus stock.


Makes sense. I should have figured there wouldn't be a cheap way to do it right. My $3000 budget for the type 4 rebuild ended up at $5000, nothing of quality is cheap on these things.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

Hi - I have a '77 and went with the Wagenswest - great quality.

Have Konis and a larger front roll bar - bus handles very well now!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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Hi - I have a '77 and went with the Wagenswest - great quality.

Have Konis and a larger front roll bar - bus handles very well now!


Do the Konis help reduce the nosedive when braking?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

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Do the Konis help reduce the nosedive when braking?


Enjoy your nose dive; the weight transfer to the front tires give your excellent front brakes better traction. Razz

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

asiab3 wrote:
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Do the Konis help reduce the nosedive when braking?


Enjoy your nose dive; the weight transfer to the front tires give your excellent front brakes better traction. Razz

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... you mean how the bus eliminates rear wheel assistance with its nose dive? ... and puts all the breaking on 2 tires instead of 4... and those 2 tires happen to not only be skinny (compared to new vehicles) but also the tires you are requiring to turn your vehicle... so lets have some weight being thrown forward and take most of the weight of the vehicle and toss it up (reducing rear traction so that when the vehicle has to turn, those rear wheels can be nice and light and torque right around the pivot point of your front wheels. It'll be fun!) ... and on top of that, your foot is the abs... nose dive is not a good thing... though I like your optimism!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

That sounds sensible...but isn't it the braking that puts the weight on the front wheels rather than the nose diving? Mine's all stock, I've used the brakes in anger and I wouldn't say the nose dives much. I've had 2" and 4 1/2" lowered vans that didn't behave any different under hard braking, they were all poor compared to modeern braking - no anti-lock.

One wonders why nobody has produced a retro anti-lock system for a bay. Well I do, I think there would be a queque for them. My father was a electronics designer for truck anti-lock systems in the 60's and 70's but sadly he has dementia so no help there.
He used to drive a Jag full of electronics across frozen lakes firing coloured chalk at the ice each time the brakes cut in/out. Neat stuff when you're a kid but I never got a ride as there was only one seat, electronics were big in those days.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

It would be better to modify your deck to fit the bus. Just take a Sawzall to the bottom of the joists, adding a nice curve to the bottom that just clears the bus roof.
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Drop Spindles Reply with quote

ratherb-buggin wrote:
The geometry is off on Empi spindles...

Do you know which aspect of the geometry is off? How did you measure?

I'm very curious, thanks.
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