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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2021 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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Absolutely beautiful work! Love that head on shot! Speaks volumes of the time and attention to detail work that was expended.
Keep it going! That is one GIANT hurdle you just jumped over, and looked good doing it! _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
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sunroof Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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What he said.
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grailoc Samba Member
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9955 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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Excellent!
I am trying to remember but cannot. I tried going back through the last few pages but did not see it. Have you bolted the front beam in with the hardware, along with all of the other connection bolts between the body and the pan? I say this (not sure if convertibles do the same thing) because standard Bugs will dramatically change in body shape as they are bolted back down. It is really obvious at the A and B pillars but also at the front apron area, due to those 2 bolts at the beam. Those 2 actually pull the entire body forwards. This gets pulled to the rear from the 4 bolts at the rear torsion tube assembly.
Well worth the time to get it all bolted back, along with new rubber, just to see how it sits. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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grailoc Samba Member
Joined: March 25, 2004 Posts: 1441 Location: FRANCE and now QUEBEC city
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
Excellent!
I am trying to remember but cannot. I tried going back through the last few pages but did not see it. Have you bolted the front beam in with the hardware, along with all of the other connection bolts between the body and the pan? I say this (not sure if convertibles do the same thing) because standard Bugs will dramatically change in body shape as they are bolted back down. It is really obvious at the A and B pillars but also at the front apron area, due to those 2 bolts at the beam. Those 2 actually pull the entire body forwards. This gets pulled to the rear from the 4 bolts at the rear torsion tube assembly.
Well worth the time to get it all bolted back, along with new rubber, just to see how it sits. |
I had all of these concern when I welded the fronted back together.
So all of the front end has been spot welded with the front beam and those 10mm hard ruber seals between body and beam + all hardware and bolts that keep the body bolted on the beam. So I should not expect any problem at all when re-assembling back everything.
but good catch here what a shame if you weld everything back together but cannot install the beam _________________ My 59 low light ghia: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=452128
My 56 beetle convertible: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7796259
My 60 SO23 westy: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=341539
My oldspeed 36hp autotechnik express build: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=670827
My garage build: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199438 |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9955 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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grailoc wrote: |
VW_Jimbo wrote: |
Excellent!
I am trying to remember but cannot. I tried going back through the last few pages but did not see it. Have you bolted the front beam in with the hardware, along with all of the other connection bolts between the body and the pan? I say this (not sure if convertibles do the same thing) because standard Bugs will dramatically change in body shape as they are bolted back down. It is really obvious at the A and B pillars but also at the front apron area, due to those 2 bolts at the beam. Those 2 actually pull the entire body forwards. This gets pulled to the rear from the 4 bolts at the rear torsion tube assembly.
Well worth the time to get it all bolted back, along with new rubber, just to see how it sits. |
but good catch here what a shame if you weld everything back together but cannot install the beam |
Exactly why I am asking - been there one time!
But you need to bolt the back 4 bolts down also, when you check. Those four actually will pull the body down back there, which pull the top down, which pulls the front towards the back and so on and so on. It all has to be bolted down to check. Sorry man, I have never found a short cut. Wish there was one!
I had all of these concern when I welded the fronted back together.
So all of the front end has been spot welded with the front beam and those 10mm hard ruber seals between body and beam + all hardware and bolts that keep the body bolted on the beam. So I should not expect any problem at all when re-assembling back everything. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
TDCTDI wrote: |
Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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grailoc Samba Member
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2021 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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Very nice!!!
Doors work correctly? Good gaps? _________________ Jimbo
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sunroof Samba Member
Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 1772 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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It should be interesting to see if my car changes shape when I bolt it down. When I was welding, I always had the heater channel bolted down tight but everything else was just resting in place. One thing about my car, in spite of how beat on it was, it was never hit, so it is straight as a pin and sits on the pan in perfect alignment. I had a '57
That had been hit really hard in the right A pillar and in the rear left (you can just see the bondo in the picture). When I unbolted it from the pan it sprung free and was twisted out of shape. I had a hell of a time bolting it back down. I had no idea how to straighten it so I sold it, let someone else figure that out!
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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The spacer is called a "Caster" shim.
They help with high speed stability. Especially in windy conditions.
The down side is that low speed, think parking lot maneuvering. The steering feel is rather heavy. But you get used to it after awhile. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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grailoc wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
The spacer is called a "Caster" shim.
They help with high speed stability. Especially in windy conditions.
The down side is that low speed, think parking lot maneuvering. The steering feel is rather heavy. But you get used to it after awhile. |
high speed and vintage vw sounds 2 thing incompatible
thanks for the answer BTW. |
It really depends on the VW
A little more info to help you choosing caster shims.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=753753 _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Original 1956 Oval convertible |
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Typically, caster shims come into play when the front end ride height changes and the rear is higher than the front. So a “rake” stance. Dropping the front end causes the front tube to move forwards and the lower tube to move rearward. This causes a change in the caster angle. Stock caster degree is 3.33 +- 1.0 degrees. Dropping the car can get you up to 15 degrees of change. To offset this fixed change without cutting and pasting steel, most use caster shims and longer bolts. _________________ Jimbo
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