Same as 010 and 019 Distributors

[Glenn]

[VeloMikey]

I am bummed! I have a 010 when I thought I had a BR 25. I guess I am a cool kid now.
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[spencerfvee]

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I have some of those but they never seem to go in a motor, they just sit on the shelf and look pretty. Ignore the two Resolit's, there just there to maintain balance on the shelf. I also keep a rack of 009's for some reason.

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ps, one of those 019's is a Ring original.
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[Glenn]

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[heimlich]

[chrisflstf]

Are timing maps for the 010, for ex, stair stepped, or are they are straight line from zero to full advance? I have seen both on here

[Frederik]

[tasb]

I'm finding that there are all kinds of graphs. There are too many variables to account for. The intervals on the x and y axis, individual distributor differences, age of the distributor, variations in machine testers,.

There are two different weights in an "010".
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[tasb]

I haven't really documented the manufacture dates on the 010 and 019 distributors. I've encountered a fair number that did not have a manufacture date stamp on them. I believe the late 1960's would be an accurate guess. based on experience Bosch was purging their stock of these in the late 1970's. You could easily create a screamer 010, just paint it! ( a joke)
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[Frederik]

I'm sorry if I desorientate the topic, but I accually think it is pretty silly if people think the 010 is more a "performance" distributor, more value or is anything than a later replacement/ new numbering system for the VJR4BR25. Look in a 60's "tuning handbook" and you will see it was VJR4BR25 that was the hot shit. Same same but different (or not). To add Bosch kept the old/new part numbers for some time so a 010 is also a VJR4BR25 on everything but the badge..

From "Volkswagen handbook -by the editors of Hot rod magazine" 1963

but if you look close it's not a BR25 distributor in the picture..

[Frederik]

And just to add to the documentation, here is the Bosch 0 231 129 010 ("010") vw 211 905 205F in the 1977 vw workshop manual for industrial engines. It's the original use of it, other than as spare part.

[Frederik]

[Glenn]

Bosch was still making 010s in the early 70s.

$23.95... how many do you want?

BTW, IDAs for $119.95 each.
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[tasb]

In 1971 the minimum wage was $1.60/hour, less than $13/day before taxes. I couldn't afford even one of them.

[Glenn]

[heimlich]

[Glenn]

There's a difference in replacing a damaged badge with a like reproduction because the customer wants it and putting a different badge on such as a 010 on a BR25 and selling it as a 010.

If you're referring to my post on the 912 forum where I posted a picture of a restored VJ4BR18 with a reproduction Bosch badge, I clearly stated "The Bosch name plate is a reproduction since the original was missing." And the buyer knew that.

In fact I had a friend give me a 010 to rebuild. Only problem was the body was broken in 2 under the o-ring. I offered to give him a 019 body I had and put the 010 internals in it. I also removed the 010 badge and put it on the replacement body.

As long as you don't misrepresent the product there is no fraud.

As far as rebuilding an already rebuilt distributor, how will you get the seller to pay you? I've done a few at the cost of just parts and wouldn't mind getting the original seller to pay my labor.
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The most recent contribution to the I want an "original 010" club




No worries thank you. I wanted one of the originals in the original paint etc. that type of thing. If you have any 010’s I’ll take one of those if you have one. But I would rather wait for a legit 019. Thank you

After explaining that the VJ 4 BR 25 is exactly the same as an "010" and that the pandemic has severely limited my ability to acquire cores and the price for even junk 010's is absurdly through the roof I still get this:

I understand that. But the numbers aren’t the same on the tag even though it’s technically the same distributor. I restore Vws. I’m just looking for an original or a legit 019 that I can restore myself or just stick directly into my GTV. Let me know thank you


According to Webster:
Original: existing first or at the beginning, not a copy.

legit(imate): not like others, new, never seen before.

The 010 and 019 are neither original nor legitimate by dictionary definition.

What he can't bring himself to say is that his buddies will think less of him or his ride because he doesn't have an "010" on his ride like the ones in the magazine.

To the original customer just in case he finds this please understand that I get this line of inquiry almost weekly certainly monthly. I find it annoying when confronted with the facts that they still insist on a reproduction, copy instead of the legitimate original because the copies are in short supply.
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