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kreemoweet
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 Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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What's wrong with those BrakeBest shoes? You say they came from O'Reilley's?
You should send those TCM shoes back to the vendor, and demand product price, shipping, and return shipping back. Use strong language.
Vendors who sell those after they've been informed that they are not correct are assholes.
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kevin77westy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| Yep - BrakeBest is OReilly's house brand - $20/set - hecho en Mexico. There is nothing necessarily wrong with the them but the TCMs do seem to be of better quality. The BrakeBests do not have the "humps" on the edge of the shoe metal. I have I've run BrakeBests on my old S10 and GMC pickups for the last few years with no problems so I am not worried about them - I just wanted to use the best I could get. |
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kreemoweet
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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It looks like you lucked out and got a set of O'Reilly's old stock. Their current product webpage for late bay shoes
is showing the bogus Vanagon shoes. Damn, and I was about to run down to my local O'R. and invest my life
savings ...
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kevin77westy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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Hmm. Maybe its worth me grabbing a couple more sets from OReilly's. I think the VW stock here moves a lot slower than other parts of the country. Last time I ordered some wheel cylinders from them for a bus they were in a very old Beck Arnley box that said they were made in Italy.
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| Is there any place to get a new hardware kit,or a suitable replacement. |
Bughuas lists this hardware kit:
http://www.bughaus.com/type22.htm
with a year range from 64-79 so they are late splitty sets. Never compared them to one another. Seems like I saw a thread here where someone was complaining about the fit but my memory is not as good as it once was. Anyone know? |
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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Anyone have problems with Enduro shoes recently?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| lil-jinx wrote: |
| Is there any place to get a new hardware kit,or a suitable replacement. |
I bought a hardware kit from Bus Depot a few years back and they were total crap. IIRC there is supposed to be one long spring for each side which were not included. Upon informing them that I believed I received the wrong kit I was told that I was to use two small springs and connect them together to make the long spring. No thanks. Kept my old shoes and hardware on the Bus.
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borninabus
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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anyone have one of these sets that they'd like to get rid of?
i have a vanagon rear set that is broken and i need two shoes for my 86 van.
thanks, PM if you're game.
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| BUSBOSS wrote: |
| Anyone have problems with Enduro shoes recently? |
BUMP
Or a current source for correct shoes?
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kreemoweet
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| Or a current source for correct shoes? |
You have correct shoes on your bus now? That's your source. Take 'em to a local brake relining shop.
Evidently, that's what we're all going to have to do from now on.
Of course, there are probably many dusty old sets of real bus brake shoes lying around in backwater auto parts stores and warehouses.
Someone with lots of time on their hands should undertake a long, meandering journey across the country to collect 'em all to sell on
the classifieds here.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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I bought the TCM 421 shoes from my local shop. They assured me that they have had no issues with installation of these in their shop. I even had them read this thread.
I got them home and feared the worst. There were no issues on installation.
Will test them soon.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| Ate has started to produce these again. I cannot attest to their quality or fit though. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| BUSBOSS wrote: |
I bought the TCM 421 shoes from my local shop. They assured me that they have had no issues with installation of these in their shop. I even had them read this thread.
I got them home and feared the worst. There were no issues on installation.
Will test them soon.
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I might of missed it. What brand are these pads? I like how thick the pad material is. The EMPI pads have not so thick pad material on them.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| BUSBOSS wrote: |
I bought the TCM 421 shoes from my local shop. They assured me that they have had no issues with installation of these in their shop. I even had them read this thread.
I got them home and feared the worst. There were no issues on installation.
Will test them soon.
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There is something blatantly missing in that photo. Where is the rust?!??
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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The relining path, while bringing in the obvious downtime, BOHAN. Another advantage. When your OG brake drums get oversized, you could spec thicker linings and get more life out of the drums.
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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Going to try to give this subject a jolt again, and hope there are retailers out there who will give a damn to hold manufacturers accountable when they are sold the wrong product...and pass that wrong product on to a customer. Especially when that product is a safety system and 50% of your braking.
Thought I'd drop this here, too. I'm smearing it all over VW social media.
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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Is it just the location of the upper spring hole? If so, seems like a person could drill another hole and solve the problem. I understand that parts should be correct. I once bought rear drums for a split bus that wouldn’t slide over the splines. I found out that this was a known manufacturing error but the vendor still sold the drums probably hoping that enough buyers wouldn’t return them. It was a well known VW parts house we all use
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kreemoweet
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| Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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| aeromech wrote: |
| Is it just the location of the upper spring hole? |
Also smaller lower spring holes, and shape of web just above the shark's mouth is different.
I don't know what webwalker means about "longer top spring" in Vanagons in that image, as they have two quite short
ones. And some 73-79 brake shoes have those "reinforcement stampings".
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Warning: Bogus Late Bay Brake Shoes |
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As for painting hubs, Drums or lugnut area it's been proven that this will not only produce a poor torque spec on the other fitting parts but is also dangerous.
Paint will move (chip) when applied unevenly and cause runout to change
I'd love to see something to back up your claim. Paint on a hub isn't going to chip when it's between the hub and drum. There's nothing there TO chip it. I'll snap a pic when I pull the drums in the spring, guarantee they look exactly like they did in that pic. I always clean and paint when I do the rears on a Bus for the first time and in over 100K cumulative miles driven I've never had a brake issue or any paint chipped off of the hub. |
This issue is complete internet fiction. If you give me a can of paint I probably could screw up your back drums, but the fear mongering here is ridiculous.
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