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Superman74 Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2013 Posts: 192 Location: Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:05 pm Post subject: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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The rear apron of my super has been built up using regular pink bond.. it has failed in spots and in looking around the parts store i see fiberglass bondo, conventional bondo, "gold" bondo…. but little info on the proper uses and differences of each.. thoughts??? |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26787 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:35 am Post subject: |
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For one thing most are porous like, well, lets say whipped cream.
So they must be coated with a sealer, but are lighter and maybe more flexible than if it wasn't whipped.
Then there is non-porous spot putty, which works just like regular except isn't porous. it's a bit heavier, can be useful as a second coat over the regular filler or for small touch ups. If you try the fiberglass stuff then this would be good to put over it and get a good finish.
IMO if any filler it is applied too thick or used in areas that flex or get too hot then it will crack.
The fiber-glass stuff is horrible to work with but it is stronger, and heavy. Does seem to add some strength but really I haven't found much use for it. Probably good to use to repair fiberglass with. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16879 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: |
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replace the apron. they get hot on stock applications and you will have to deal with sinkage/repeat failures in that area. just my .02 _________________
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Matt K. Paint and Body Nutcase
Joined: January 14, 2005 Posts: 2598 Location: Hemet, So Cal.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes the failure is a cheap product and sometimes the failure is due to the fact of a inexperienced repair.....I have always had really good luck with the "Gold" fillers....products such as Evercoat make great fillers. If I have welded a part together I use a skim coat of a fiberglass based filler such as "Durglas" over the top of the welded areas because the fiberglass based filler are moisture proof and regular fillers are not that way if there is a tiny pin hole in the welded area where moisture could get through the fiberglass product will not absorb it as a regular filler would. _________________ This is my 23rd year in the Auto Body/Paint Game!
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Derek Cobb Annoying
Joined: March 11, 2004 Posts: 2565
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:20 am Post subject: |
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The heating and cooling from the exhaust will just cook the filler on the apron. Replace it if it needs anything more than a skim coat. |
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Dr OnHolliday Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2012 Posts: 1215 Location: was Escondido now San Berdoo
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I always "heard" that bondo shouldn't be more than 1/8" thick....and I think that's pushing it... _________________ 1965 Type 1 sunroof Baja / about 70k miles on self-rebuilt '74 1600 and counting / SP heads and aftermarket valve keepers / non-doghouse shroud with external cooler and filter / 1.5 qt extended sump / Weber 32/36 DFAV progressive carb / 009 dist with Pertronix / 1.25 ratio rockers and ball adjusters / 1.5" stainless steel J-pipes and carbon steel baja exhaust |
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punkabillyvw Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2013 Posts: 86 Location: Waco Tx
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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max thickness for bondo is 1/4" after that any flex at all will crack, have large amount of pinholes fiberglass is horrid to work with but quite strong all metal is a bondo style product with metal shaving in it stronger than fiberglass but also quite pricey for the amount the route i would personally run is to get a soldering gun and fill it with either solder or lead {lead can be got extremely cheap most tire shops will donate there old wheel weights} this gets rid of the flex issue porosity issue and heat problems and when done properly cant even tell it was ever repaired |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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I know this may be a long shot but I found the last bit of rot on my 65. Under the rear windshield. My dad used fiberglass filler to cover similar rot entirely.
Would fiberglass filler hold up on something like this?
Thanks
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 11004
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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If you never get it wet you POR15 it and you remove the active rust it will last a while but it’s no replacement for doing it right. But sometimes it doesn’t make sense to do it right. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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Breadford Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Serbia
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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Cut that rust out, and weld new piece of metal. If you use fiberglass, it will be worse over time. |
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Chickensoup Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2018 Posts: 5368 Location: Good Hope, GA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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yeah i figured the filler would be a bad idea. plus the idea with the car was to get the body so straight filler would only be needed as skim coat.
i will just make my own bends first and see if they turn out well.
thanks _________________ -'85 c10 5.3 LS, 222 cam, long tubes, x pipe, 3 inch spin tech's
-'05 B5.5 TDI Wagon 17in sport rims ;EGR + BSM + ASV Delete, Stage-2 Tune, straight pipe
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'69 RIP
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Dan the workingstiff Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2006 Posts: 824 Location: Downriver, MI
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 3:21 am Post subject: Re: Bondo vs Fiberglass for fillers? |
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I would also be tempted to try my own patch pieces first. _________________ '69 Beetle
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