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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 2:47 pm Post subject: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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I am getting ready to change the ATF for the first time (new to me van). I'd like to try and do a complete ATF 'flush' as others here have suggested by draining from the dipstick tube a few times to get the dirty fluid from the TQ out.
My question: which would be the most logical sequence?
Should I begin draining from the dipstick tube and refilling a few times first, and then drop the pan and change the filter, etc?
Or, would it be best to drop the pan first, get the cruft out, and then do the periodic fluid drain/refills? |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32433 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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kourt Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2013 Posts: 1922 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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If it were my van, I would drop the ATF pan/dipstick tube assembly, allow as much fluid to drain as possible, change the filter, and reassemble. Then carefully add fluid to the bottom tip of the dipstick. Then start the van and let it idle, checking fluid every few minutes.
Then do the standard 6 mile test drive, park level, leave engine on, and check fluid level.
kourt
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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if you wanted a true flush you could use a flush/fill machine or do what we did at the dealer when ours boke (which was more often than not)
pull the trans cooler line off the FEED side of the cooler and put it in a bucket. start the car and keep pouring in ATF until it comes out clean.
the SECOND the line in the bucket burps/skips/jumps SHUT IT DOWN or you could burn the pump up. you simply won't be able to pour the fluid in as fast as it can pump it out _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32433 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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djkeev wrote: |
I'd drop it sooner rather than later.
The new oil will "wash" the insides because they have a built in detergent package.
Not a bad thing but your clean oil will dirty up quickly.
Dave |
Wouldn’t that be an argument for dropping later? Let the detergents do their thing and then allow the crud to drop down to the filter/pan, etc. |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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kourt wrote: |
If it were my van, I would drop the ATF pan/dipstick tube assembly, allow as much fluid to drain as possible, change the filter, and reassemble. Then carefully add fluid to the bottom tip of the dipstick. Then start the van and let it idle, checking fluid every few minutes.
Then do the standard 6 mile test drive, park level, leave engine on, and check fluid level.
kourt |
Are you saying that you wouldn’t do the ‘flush’ before or after these steps? This is what I’d do to simply change the ATF and live with the dirty TQ fluid mixed in. |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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djkeev wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
if you wanted a true flush you could use a flush/fill machine or do what we did at the dealer when ours boke (which was more often than not)
pull the trans cooler line off the FEED side of the cooler and put it in a bucket. start the car and keep pouring in ATF until it comes out clean.
the SECOND the line in the bucket burps/skips/jumps SHUT IT DOWN or you could burn the pump up. you simply won't be able to pour the fluid in as fast as it can pump it out |
No feed lines. VW automatic totally self contained.
Dave |
I’m actually going to be installing the GW cooler at the same time, so I believe I could do it this way, correct? |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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kourt wrote: |
If it were my van, I would drop the ATF pan/dipstick tube assembly, allow as much fluid to drain as possible, change the filter, and reassemble. Then carefully add fluid to the bottom tip of the dipstick. Then start the van and let it idle, checking fluid every few minutes.
Then do the standard 6 mile test drive, park level, leave engine on, and check fluid level.
kourt |
Are you saying that you wouldn’t do the ‘flush’ before or after these steps? This is what I’d do to simply change the ATF and live with the dirty TQ fluid mixed in. |
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kourt Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2013 Posts: 1922 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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I understand your query better now.
You could do a flush, as others describe in this thread. Work from the ports on the fore end of the transaxle, while the engine is running. You’ll have to be really on top of keeping the supply source bucket full.
I’ve never had any need to do that kind of flush myself. I’ve rebuilt a few transaxles, but just refill them as I originally described when done.
The flush is a ‘nice to have’ operation, but I wouldn’t set my mind on it.
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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If your old fluid is so bad it can't be mixed 50/50 with new fluid and still serve its purpose then your transmission is likely junk already and won't benefit from even a standard half drain and refill. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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djkeev wrote: |
No feed lines. VW automatic totally self contained.
Dave |
if you shitcan the original cooler it isn't but you could also use a pressure port as well _________________
gprudenciop wrote: |
my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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brickster Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2004 Posts: 503 Location: CO, USA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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kourt wrote: |
I understand your query better now.
You could do a flush, as others describe in this thread. Work from the ports on the fore end of the transaxle, while the engine is running. You’ll have to be really on top of keeping the supply source bucket full.
I’ve never had any need to do that kind of flush myself. I’ve rebuilt a few transaxles, but just refill them as I originally described when done.
The flush is a ‘nice to have’ operation, but I wouldn’t set my mind on it.
Kourt |
Thanks. I am a bit OCD when it comes to certain things. The fluid doesn't look bad and shifts are fine. I may just do the dipstick drop flush a few times and call it good. |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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just do kourt's procedure and repeat more frequently than the std. time interval
it'll be fine _________________ .... |
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Merian Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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brickster wrote: |
Thanks. I am a bit OCD when it comes to certain things. |
this reminds me... have you changed the power steering fluid?
how about the filter inside the reservoir for it? _________________ .... |
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brickster Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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Merian wrote: |
brickster wrote: |
Thanks. I am a bit OCD when it comes to certain things. |
this reminds me... have you changed the power steering fluid?
how about the filter inside the reservoir for it? |
I have manual steering, but thanks for the reminder anyway! |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Automatic Transmission 'Flush' Sequence |
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Thanks. I am a bit OCD when it comes to certain things. The fluid doesn't look bad and shifts are fine. I may just do the dipstick drop flush a few times and call it good.[/quote]
You do need to access the filter and clean or replace it from time to time, this is one of the things I like to do when I buy a new to me vehicle. |
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