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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
rusty_74_bug wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
rusty_74_bug wrote: |
I'm done for the day. Tomorrow I'll crawl under the front end and see if the fuel line is kinked or bent anywhere. Maybe even take out the tank out and see what's what with the hose connection. |
I have had a fuel pump loose prime in the past. I squirted fuel into the line between the carb and the pump. And filled the float bowl with fuel through the vent tube in the middle of the carb throat.
Once the engine fired. The pump continued to pump fuel to the carb.
BTW, Even though there is fuel in the lines. You might not see it in the filter. Sometimes they appear half full of fuel. Sometimes there's none visible.
Please post a pic of the entire engine from several angles.
Most folks here cannot read.
Post a pic and all of the sudden a miracle happens. The folks that cannot read learn to type! |
I'll try that tomorrow. I have unhooked the fuel in line multiple times and there isn't even a hint of gas in it and the fuel filter is bone dry. I can take some pics tomorrow. On a side note, I am now remembering last year when I put the tank back in and how much trouble I had getting that fuel line back on while trying to put it back in. I'm starting to think I may have kinked it somehow. I'll take a look sometime tomorrow depending on what time the Cubs game starts |
The game starts tomorrow at 1:10pm our time.
You'll have plenty of time to get pics and post them., |
Ah! I just noticed you're in Hillsboro! I will absolutely take some pics before the game and upload! _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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kpf Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2017 Posts: 847 Location: California, US
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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rusty_74_bug wrote: |
I have unhooked the fuel in line multiple times and there isn't even a hint of gas in it and the fuel filter is bone dry.
...I am now remembering last year when I put the tank back in and how much trouble I had getting that fuel line back on while trying to put it back in. I'm starting to think I may have kinked it somehow. |
As a test, pull the inlet hose off of the pump. Fuel should flow freely from that hose. If not, then you have a blockage or kink between the pump and tank.
If your pump is an aftermarket pump, you may be able to prime it by attaching a hand vacuum pump to the outlet. Pump a little to apply some vacuum and you might hear some gurgling sounds as fuel flows into the pump. Be sure to release the vacuum before the fuel enters the vacuum pump (maybe have your clear filter between the fuel pump and vacuum pump). This trick does not work on original rebuildable factory fuel pumps because they have an internal pressure valve that will only be forced closed by applying vacuum to the output.
Another technique I have used to prime a fuel pump is to unbolt the fuel pump, leaving the hoses attached. Operate the lever underneath by hand, tilting the pump so you can reach under it. I'm not sure if the tilting helps, or just that you can pump the lever faster and farther by hand than by cranking the engine, but it worked for me. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 7:39 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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I went back out after dinner and tried again. I tried a small hand pump directly on the fuel line from the tank. After a little while I got a small dribble of gas. Should it have been a solid stream or is the dribble what is expected? Back in for the night but I'll hit it again tomorrow and upload some requested pics of the engine. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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kpf Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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The line from the tank (the input to the fuel pump) should provide a solid stream of fuel, not a dribble. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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kpf wrote: |
The line from the tank (the input to the fuel pump) should provide a solid stream of fuel, not a dribble. |
My hand pump wasn't a perfect fit on the hose so I wonder if that had something to do with it. Or maybe I have a partial blockage somewhere in the fuel line? _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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The line from the tank should just flow freely, no pump required. I actually hate replacing the fuel line from the pan to the pump because it's hard NOT to spill gas all over as soon as you unhook the line. Maybe one day I'll actually get some hemostats with locking teeth to crimp the line first..
But the point I'm making, if you're only getting a dribble of gas from the feed line, you have a crimp, or a blockage.
A lot of low pressure fuel line can swell internally and block the flow.
Try removing the line where it comes out of the frame horn next. |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 7:30 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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Pruneman99 wrote: |
The line from the tank should just flow freely, no pump required. I actually hate replacing the fuel line from the pan to the pump because it's hard NOT to spill gas all over as soon as you unhook the line. Maybe one day I'll actually get some hemostats with locking teeth to crimp the line first..
But the point I'm making, if you're only getting a dribble of gas from the feed line, you have a crimp, or a blockage.
A lot of low pressure fuel line can swell internally and block the flow.
Try removing the line where it comes out of the frame horn next. |
Ok, thanks. I will crawl under and inspect every inch of the line today. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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68IHscout Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 7:45 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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There should be a filter up front on the right side where the fuel feed line comes down from tank ( at least i have one on my 74sb , before disconnecting use a pair of vise grips on the upper feed line to crimp it so fuel doesn’t flow freely then you can remove that line and see if it flows from fuel tank, after you release the vise grips .
Is car on jack stands in the rear ? |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:20 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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68IHscout wrote: |
There should be a filter up front on the right side where the fuel feed line comes down from tank ( at least i have one on my 74sb , before disconnecting use a pair of vise grips on the upper feed line to crimp it so fuel doesn’t flow freely then you can remove that line and see if it flows from fuel tank, after you release the vise grips .
Is car on jack stands in the rear ? |
Not up on jack stands right now. I actually did this last night although my filter is in the engine bay. I had gas dripping the moment I started loosening the clamp (Hose that is attached to the tank) so I didn't even take the hose off all the way but I will do again with vice grips so I can see what kind of flow there is. I do intend on moving that fuel filter to the front probably soon after I get her running. I'm headed out to start working on it here in a few minutes and I'll be posting updates of any progress. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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68IHscout Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:41 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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I would Leave the front filter where its at , now the one in the engine comp can be moved to under the wheel well left rear for safety reasons |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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68IHscout wrote: |
I would Leave the front filter where its at , now the one in the engine comp can be moved to under the wheel well left rear for safety reasons |
Maybe I misunderstood you...there is no front filter on mine. I have the hose from the tank (about 2 ft long) connects via coupler to another hose that's about 12 inches then that hose connects to the metal line. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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calvinater Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:53 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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Maybe I misunderstood you...there is no front filter on mine. I have the hose from the tank (about 2 ft long) connects via coupler to another hose that's about 12 inches then that hose connects to the metal line.[/quote]
need a pic of this please _________________ "Albatross"! |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:56 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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calvinater wrote: |
Maybe I misunderstood you...there is no front filter on mine. I have the hose from the tank (about 2 ft long) connects via coupler to another hose that's about 12 inches then that hose connects to the metal line. |
need a pic of this please[/quote]
Headed out there right now. I'll get some pics and upload. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:22 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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Got some pics:
Here are 3 of the fuel hose coming down from the tank:
Here are a few of the engine bay:
I'm about to crawl under and look at the entire length of the fuel line. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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I don't see any obvious crimps or kinks in the rubber lines. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9663 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:47 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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Pics help allot.
I suggest changing the fuel line from the tank to the tunnel up front. The lower portion looks old.
Ideally you want one continuous hose from the tank to the tunnel.
When you disconnect the fuel line from the tank. It should flow a continuous stream of fuel. Be ready for that with your new fuel line you got from AutoZone or O'rielies.
If fuel is not coming from the tank outlet. Time to clean the tank.
As a test for the fuel pump. Get a piece of fuel line and connect it to the fuel pump inlet. Place the other end in a can of gas. Your lawn mower gas can will work.
Try to start the car! If it starts and continues to run You at least know that your FP is in good nick.
Then go after the fuel line from the front of the tunnel to the rear outlet. Sometimes carb cleaner gets things flowing. Compressed air helps too. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:54 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Pics help allot.
I suggest changing the fuel line from the tank to the tunnel up front. The lower portion looks old.
Ideally you want one continuous hose from the tank to the tunnel.
When you disconnect the fuel line from the tank. It should flow a continuous stream of fuel. Be ready for that with your new fuel line you got from AutoZone or O'rielies.
If fuel is not coming from the tank outlet. Time to clean the tank.
As a test for the fuel pump. Get a piece of fuel line and connect it to the fuel pump inlet. Place the other end in a can of gas. Your lawn mower gas can will work.
Try to start the car! If it starts and continues to run You at least know that your FP is in good nick.
Then go after the fuel line from the front of the tunnel to the rear outlet. Sometimes carb cleaner gets things flowing. Compressed air helps too. |
"As a test for the fuel pump. Get a piece of fuel line and connect it to the fuel pump inlet. Place the other end in a can of gas. Your lawn mower gas can will work.
Try to start the car! If it starts and continues to run You at least know that your FP is in good nick.
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I tried exactly this yesterday. It did not suck up any gas at all. This is why I keep wanting to think it's the fuel pump. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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rusty_74_bug wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
Pics help allot.
I suggest changing the fuel line from the tank to the tunnel up front. The lower portion looks old.
Ideally you want one continuous hose from the tank to the tunnel.
When you disconnect the fuel line from the tank. It should flow a continuous stream of fuel. Be ready for that with your new fuel line you got from AutoZone or O'rielies.
If fuel is not coming from the tank outlet. Time to clean the tank.
As a test for the fuel pump. Get a piece of fuel line and connect it to the fuel pump inlet. Place the other end in a can of gas. Your lawn mower gas can will work.
Try to start the car! If it starts and continues to run You at least know that your FP is in good nick.
Then go after the fuel line from the front of the tunnel to the rear outlet. Sometimes carb cleaner gets things flowing. Compressed air helps too. |
"As a test for the fuel pump. Get a piece of fuel line and connect it to the fuel pump inlet. Place the other end in a can of gas. Your lawn mower gas can will work.
Try to start the car! If it starts and continues to run You at least know that your FP is in good nick.
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I tried exactly this yesterday. It did not suck up any gas at all. This is why I keep wanting to think it's the fuel pump. |
Well Holy shit balls. I just tried this again and it worked. Now I'm going to hook back up the fuel line and see what happens _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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rusty_74_bug Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2019 Posts: 320 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 11:18 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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I hooked the fuel line back up and now it won't start. Looking like I have a clogged fuel line. _________________ '74 Standard Bug |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 11:23 am Post subject: Re: '74 SB How to test for spark with no help |
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Ok great news. It runs.
Now find the clog in the supply to the engine compartment.
Like I said. Change the fuel line from the tank to the tunnel. While the line is disconnected. Check for fuel flow from the tank. If that's good. Your tunnel line is clogged and needs to be cleaned out.
If you're gonna try what you stated above. Leave the filter i place for now.
You don't wanna suck shit into your carb. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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