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ScottShelley
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Joined: October 15, 2012
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Location: California
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 Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:22 am Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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I disagree. I think that VOG has been great. I have found solutions to problems there easily, by simply asking. I have had people send me small misc parts for just the cost of shipping. There are many knowledgeable people who are willing to share with out the elitist stuff you some times get here and elsewhere. People will post pictures when they address a question and it is usually in a short period of time. I have made many friends there, real life friends. I think as far a the bickering goes; I see very little. The problem over there was a rebellion related to how things were being moderated and people being silenced and banned for speaking up about something they found offensive. I consider myself a pretty well seasoned Vanagon owner and I find the interaction more fun on VOG then the generally dry sharing of information here on the "old inter web". I have made one or two friends that I have seen in real life here on the Samba, while I have made many on VOG. People I have camped with and spent time with in real life.
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| Me and the wife are members of many Groups on FB and I will share that, without a doubt, the best Groups are invite only. They don't come up in searches, for very good reasons. It doesn't take much thought to figure out what can go wrong in a group of 14,000 on social media. I find the VOG to be rather stale and void of true technical information. The three Groups I relay on have a few hundred members and not a single bit of bickering, drama or social BS, just straight talk and technical discussions with sharing, mostly PDFs and if you are looking for the hard to find parts, that's where we find them. It's a shame about all the drama. Across multiple other Groups mostly BenT's, quite a few are voicing that they have been silenced and need moderator approval to have their posts seen. Personally, it is 13th grade and too cliquey for us to post. Sure you can see beautiful pictures, but who doesn't have those of their own while out camping in a Vanagon. Our advice, put down the phone, get out and go camping. No wifi needed! |
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vandroid
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Joined: July 26, 2018
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:56 am Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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I disagree. I think that VOG has been great. I have found solutions to problems there easily, by simply asking. I have had people send me small misc parts for just the cost of shipping. There are many knowledgeable people who are willing to share with out the elitist stuff you some times get here and elsewhere. People will post pictures when they address a question and it is usually in a short period of time. I have made many friends there, real life friends. I think as far a the bickering goes; I see very little. The problem over there was a rebellion related to how things were being moderated and people being silenced and banned for speaking up about something they found offensive. I consider myself a pretty well seasoned Vanagon owner and I find the interaction more fun on VOG then the generally dry sharing of information here on the "old inter web". I have made one or two friends that I have seen in real life here on the Samba, while I have made many on VOG. People I have camped with and spent time with in real life.
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| Me and the wife are members of many Groups on FB and I will share that, without a doubt, the best Groups are invite only. They don't come up in searches, for very good reasons. It doesn't take much thought to figure out what can go wrong in a group of 14,000 on social media. I find the VOG to be rather stale and void of true technical information. The three Groups I relay on have a few hundred members and not a single bit of bickering, drama or social BS, just straight talk and technical discussions with sharing, mostly PDFs and if you are looking for the hard to find parts, that's where we find them. It's a shame about all the drama. Across multiple other Groups mostly BenT's, quite a few are voicing that they have been silenced and need moderator approval to have their posts seen. Personally, it is 13th grade and too cliquey for us to post. Sure you can see beautiful pictures, but who doesn't have those of their own while out camping in a Vanagon. Our advice, put down the phone, get out and go camping. No wifi needed! |
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Well, if you are narcissistic and need a social media Group to find friends, than hey, knock yourself out. That Group is all about flash and what you've spent on your van. As I have said, we have been invited to be in Groups with professionals and vendors, worldwide. Every single question gets answered and what things cost and how blingy they are aren't part of the discussions. I have shared with those Groups that if they do open to more people, please charge a subscription fee, that will keep most of the troublemakers away. The subscription trend is coming, because it works. |
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ScottShelley
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Joined: October 15, 2012
Posts: 596
Location: California
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 11:24 am Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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I disagree. I think that VOG has been great. I have found solutions to problems there easily, by simply asking. I have had people send me small misc parts for just the cost of shipping. There are many knowledgeable people who are willing to share with out the elitist stuff you some times get here and elsewhere. People will post pictures when they address a question and it is usually in a short period of time. I have made many friends there, real life friends. I think as far a the bickering goes; I see very little. The problem over there was a rebellion related to how things were being moderated and people being silenced and banned for speaking up about something they found offensive. I consider myself a pretty well seasoned Vanagon owner and I find the interaction more fun on VOG then the generally dry sharing of information here on the "old inter web". I have made one or two friends that I have seen in real life here on the Samba, while I have made many on VOG. People I have camped with and spent time with in real life.
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| Me and the wife are members of many Groups on FB and I will share that, without a doubt, the best Groups are invite only. They don't come up in searches, for very good reasons. It doesn't take much thought to figure out what can go wrong in a group of 14,000 on social media. I find the VOG to be rather stale and void of true technical information. The three Groups I relay on have a few hundred members and not a single bit of bickering, drama or social BS, just straight talk and technical discussions with sharing, mostly PDFs and if you are looking for the hard to find parts, that's where we find them. It's a shame about all the drama. Across multiple other Groups mostly BenT's, quite a few are voicing that they have been silenced and need moderator approval to have their posts seen. Personally, it is 13th grade and too cliquey for us to post. Sure you can see beautiful pictures, but who doesn't have those of their own while out camping in a Vanagon. Our advice, put down the phone, get out and go camping. No wifi needed! |
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Well, if you are narcissistic and need a social media Group to find friends, than hey, knock yourself out. That Group is all about flash and what you've spent on your van. As I have said, we have been invited to be in Groups with professionals and vendors, worldwide. Every single question gets answered and what things cost and how blingy they are aren't part of the discussions. I have shared with those Groups that if they do open to more people, please charge a subscription fee, that will keep most of the troublemakers away. The subscription trend is coming, because it works. |
You are exactly what I am talking about. I have plenty of friends, FB or not. I don't hide behind fake names and talk keyboard shit. |
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vandroid
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Joined: July 26, 2018
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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I disagree. I think that VOG has been great. I have found solutions to problems there easily, by simply asking. I have had people send me small misc parts for just the cost of shipping. There are many knowledgeable people who are willing to share with out the elitist stuff you some times get here and elsewhere. People will post pictures when they address a question and it is usually in a short period of time. I have made many friends there, real life friends. I think as far a the bickering goes; I see very little. The problem over there was a rebellion related to how things were being moderated and people being silenced and banned for speaking up about something they found offensive. I consider myself a pretty well seasoned Vanagon owner and I find the interaction more fun on VOG then the generally dry sharing of information here on the "old inter web". I have made one or two friends that I have seen in real life here on the Samba, while I have made many on VOG. People I have camped with and spent time with in real life.
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| Me and the wife are members of many Groups on FB and I will share that, without a doubt, the best Groups are invite only. They don't come up in searches, for very good reasons. It doesn't take much thought to figure out what can go wrong in a group of 14,000 on social media. I find the VOG to be rather stale and void of true technical information. The three Groups I relay on have a few hundred members and not a single bit of bickering, drama or social BS, just straight talk and technical discussions with sharing, mostly PDFs and if you are looking for the hard to find parts, that's where we find them. It's a shame about all the drama. Across multiple other Groups mostly BenT's, quite a few are voicing that they have been silenced and need moderator approval to have their posts seen. Personally, it is 13th grade and too cliquey for us to post. Sure you can see beautiful pictures, but who doesn't have those of their own while out camping in a Vanagon. Our advice, put down the phone, get out and go camping. No wifi needed! |
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Well, if you are narcissistic and need a social media Group to find friends, than hey, knock yourself out. That Group is all about flash and what you've spent on your van. As I have said, we have been invited to be in Groups with professionals and vendors, worldwide. Every single question gets answered and what things cost and how blingy they are aren't part of the discussions. I have shared with those Groups that if they do open to more people, please charge a subscription fee, that will keep most of the troublemakers away. The subscription trend is coming, because it works. |
You are exactly what I am talking about. I have plenty of friends, FB or not. I don't hide behind fake names and talk keyboard shit. |
Exactly, you hang out with your "friends" in Groups on social media that are not fair, lack equality and are all about flashy things, void of any substance. You are well known in the social media arena as a troublemaker, with only basic mechanical skills and one who makes poor decisions. I have discussed you with many moderators. Look who pops up here to talk FB without posting anything else in a long time. Anonymity has it's advantages. Please don't provoke, it just proves my point.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend. |
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vandroid
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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For those not on FB, Scott Shelley has helped show the utter "toxic masculinity" that is being called out in the FB Groups. Please don't not let it fester here.
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photogdave
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Joined: April 05, 2004
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Location: Vancouver Island, B.C.
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: What's going on at Vanagon Owners Group? |
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Well, I was going to post something so mind-blowingly insightful that it would completely change everyone's thinking about FB, The Samba and entire internet...
But I can see this thread is soon to be locked so I guess I'll keep it to myself. 
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