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rogertj
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 Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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Theres tons of good painters in Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico just 100 meters away from the border, you americans can cross right know so take advantage of the prices and dont pay attention to the negative reviews. Theres a guy in a corner that has always Vanagons and Buses I bet that he is the guy to go to.
If any one needs help shoot me a pm and ill take you to several body shops, I will not charge anything just bring some cash to take you to the best fucking shrimp tacos in the country.
Bring your own windows seals!!!
Viva Mexico cabrones!
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Had a Carbureted ABA after engoing the heck out of it now going for ABA 2.0 Jetta EFI ill put a garrett in to the tin can later or maybe go electric?
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CelestysWesty
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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All very good input thus far.
The other consideration, is whether or not the prep work (as in the type or quantity of primer, for instance) is any different for the very metallic paint I purchased?
It's a 2-stage, and I've already been told that I need to add at least 1/2:1 the amount of reducer to the paint. Otherwise, will find just how well it covers.
Just for kicks, I painted a little swatch down by the bumper where I still have some grinding left to do.
Although not an original Westfalia color, it is sourced from an old VW golf, 1987, which inspired the wife. (pic attached).
The color looks entirely different form the can to the surface of the van. Unbelievable.
At this stage, I'm leaning towards doing it myself, IF I can find a booth to rent with compressor (I've got a silly 6 gallon porter cable, not adequate for this job I am presuming)
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rogertj
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Location: Tijuana, Baja California. Mexico
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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That was exactly my point, theres tons of paint shops! And to save a little more peny theres seems that that specific shop is famous in the samba but just by looking at it it gives me goose bumps... send me a PM im telling you im from this city I know my town!
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Had a Carbureted ABA after engoing the heck out of it now going for ABA 2.0 Jetta EFI ill put a garrett in to the tin can later or maybe go electric?
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jimf909 
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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That's a disappointment.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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I don't know that I'd shoot my first job with a metalic inspired paint. Its enough to get the paint on even let alone worrying about the flake laying out evenly. Not saying it can't be done.
edit: Roger, nice offer.
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rogertj
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| Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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| MarkWard wrote: |
| edit: Roger, nice offer. |
Any time guys!
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MayorMcCheese
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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Wait. If that's the quality of the work your "connection" did you've got a lot of work ahead of you to make it half decent. |
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rogertj
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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[quote="MayorMcCheese"]
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Wait. If that's the quality of the work your "connection" did you've got a lot of work ahead of you to make it half decent. |
Thats a lot of Bondo.... These suckers made me feel embarrassed at my city (not that all the shops are like that) and at the same time anger... That's the reason why this lovely country doesn't grow... I'm so sorry you had to go true to this.
EDIT: ups! Maybe youre talking of Florida? 
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CelestysWesty
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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[quote="rogertj"]
| MayorMcCheese wrote: |
| CelestysWesty wrote: |
Wait. If that's the quality of the work your "connection" did you've got a lot of work ahead of you to make it half decent. |
Thats a lot of Bondo.... These suckers made me feel embarrassed at my city (not that all the shops are like that) and at the same time anger... That's the reason why this lovely country doesn't grow... I'm so sorry you had to go true to this.
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Yes, this is definitely some Florida work. South Dade to be precise.
But to save myself some of the responsibility by association, I did Photograph the absolute worst place on the van (where I tested the paint, underneath where the front bumper goes), because I knew this was an area I need to address before dropping it off.)
The rest of the van, I can pretty vouch for, because I personally cut off rusty panels, welded new panels on, filled, sanded, sanded, and filled.
Considering where this van started, I’ll take this one crappy bonded fender, and be happy with criticisms.
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CelestysWesty
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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Do you have a compressor? I've gotten very good results with this gun:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/woodstock-professional-spray-gun-1-5mm/w1793
It's LVLP (low volume low pressure) as opposed to the more common HVLP. It only requires 3-4 cfm which most basic compressors can provide. With a little practice you can lay down some pretty nice paint. It's a skill that's not that hard to acquire if it's something that you're interested in. |
I’ve got one of those small 6 gallon porter cable pancake deals. Says it can run about 2.8 CFm continuously, so even just shy of what you are suggesting with the LVLP gun.
I wonder if it would be worth testing?? Otherwise, leaning towards just renting the appropriate size compressor.
Which, speaking of which- looking to rent a paint booth. Has anyone ever done this? Know of some rates that I can compare to? I’m thinking rent for 2-3 days, rent compressor, tow the van completely prepped to the location, buy the gun, do it myself, and come out of this booth feeling majorly accomplished and not bleeding from my wallet.
I’m finding options in central Florida’s, but nothing that seems very legit in the miami area.
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djkeev
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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I don't know that I'd shoot my first job with a metalic inspired paint. Its enough to get the paint on even let alone worrying about the flake laying out evenly. Not saying it can't be done.
edit: Roger, nice offer. |
A proper metallic gun has an air powered stirring paddle that keeps the flake in suspension.
I don't have one of those.
At the time (late 1990’s) I was fixing up a dodge minivan.
My boss at the time offered thus advice.......
"Dave, forget about proper painting technique when spraying metallic.
As you spray keep shaking the gun and spray the vehicle in a mad man like random pattern!"
Darn if he wasn't correct!
No zebra stripes or clumps of metallic.
I ended up with a panel repair that had the proper flake distribution and darn near matched the factory paint!
It is a bit disconcerting to spray so randomly but it totally worked.
Dave
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dobryan
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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| djkeev wrote: |
| MarkWard wrote: |
I don't know that I'd shoot my first job with a metalic inspired paint. Its enough to get the paint on even let alone worrying about the flake laying out evenly. Not saying it can't be done.
edit: Roger, nice offer. |
A proper metallic gun has an air powered stirring paddle that keeps the flake in suspension.
I don't have one of those.
At the time (late 1990’s) I was fixing up a dodge minivan.
My boss at the time offered thus advice.......
"Dave, forget about proper painting technique when spraying metallic.
As you spray keep shaking the gun and spray the vehicle in a mad man like random pattern!"
Darn if he wasn't correct!
No zebra stripes or clumps of metallic.
I ended up with a panel repair that had the proper flake distribution and darn near matched the factory paint!
It is a bit disconcerting to spray so randomly but it totally worked.
Dave |
Yes to all the above.
When I sprayed the Titian Red on my '87 10 years or more ago the painter at the shop where I got the paint told me to keep the reservoir on the gun agitated and to not repeat patterns. Spray vertical strokes for first coat, horizontal for second, and at 45 degrees for final coat, or whatever fancies you, just do not repeat. Zebra stripes are real.... you can see the swirls in the base paint and those swirls of metal flake will come out of the gun as bursts of higher and lower concentration of the metal flake.
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CelestysWesty
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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| dobryan wrote: |
| djkeev wrote: |
| MarkWard wrote: |
I don't know that I'd shoot my first job with a metalic inspired paint. Its enough to get the paint on even let alone worrying about the flake laying out evenly. Not saying it can't be done.
edit: Roger, nice offer. |
A proper metallic gun has an air powered stirring paddle that keeps the flake in suspension.
I don't have one of those.
At the time (late 1990’s) I was fixing up a dodge minivan.
My boss at the time offered thus advice.......
"Dave, forget about proper painting technique when spraying metallic.
As you spray keep shaking the gun and spray the vehicle in a mad man like random pattern!"
Darn if he wasn't correct!
No zebra stripes or clumps of metallic.
I ended up with a panel repair that had the proper flake distribution and darn near matched the factory paint!
It is a bit disconcerting to spray so randomly but it totally worked.
Dave |
Yes to all the above.
When I sprayed the Titian Red on my '87 10 years or more ago the painter at the shop where I got the paint told me to keep the reservoir on the gun agitated and to not repeat patterns. Spray vertical strokes for first coat, horizontal for second, and at 45 degrees for final coat, or whatever fancies you, just do not repeat. Zebra stripes are real.... you can see the swirls in the base paint and those swirls of metal flake will come out of the gun as bursts of higher and lower concentration of the metal flake. |
This is great information.
I actually have a fine art degree in Painting. Not very useful in most practical applications, but THIS, I can understand the principles of.
What about tip size for the gun? Some are saying 1.5mm for metallics to avoid clogging, but perhaps even higher?
Other detail is that the original "hook-up" asked me to buy 2 gallons of clear coat. He jipped me out of one of those gallons, but now I'm wondering if that will even be necessary.
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bobbyblack
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Paint situation |
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Uhh... is it humid where you are shooting this? There is a serious problem with water coming through with the air after a few minutes of compressing especially in a smaller tank operation.. Get a separator, or one(+) of these inline thingies: https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-30252A-Water-Separato...amp;sr=8-9
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