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virusdoc Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2018 Posts: 525 Location: Durham, NC, USA
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:01 am Post subject: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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I'm installing CBP copper sealing gaskets on my 90.5 liners. Because CBP makes the same gasket for 90.5 and 92 mm P/C's, they are a bit large for the 90.5 liners. They also have about 1 mm slop inside the heads (Mofoco 041's), so I can't rely on the heads to center them correctly. Any tricks for ensuring they are centered on the sealing surface of the liner, rather than off center (which would decrease the surface area of the seal)?
I am aware that there are strongly polarized opinions on whether these are desirable, or a stupid waste of cash. This request is for those who also use them and might be able to assist with my question.
FWIW, I called CBP and they told me that their cylinder heads are cut to a precise 92 mm tolerance and perfectly center the ring, but since I wasn't using their heads they couldn't recommend a solution. This answer didn't make much sense because even if they are correct on the tolerance of the head being better than Mofoco's (doubtful), there is nothing to prevent the entire head from shifting up/down/left/right slightly when installed on a 90.5 liner.
Thanks for your advice. _________________ 1976 Convertible Super Beetle, "June Bug".
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Self-rebuilt 1904 (after totally botching a 1641 rebuild, cussing a lot, and throwing lots of cash in the fire) |
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Ohio Tom Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: Marshallville Ohio
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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Sounds like the head is bored too large to me.
Maybe Roy can speak to that?
Maybe they are cut for 94's?
The copper head gasket should fit closely into the head. If it has 1mm of slop, that is an issue.
I have used CBP heads for over 20yrs now. The bores are always right on size and have no issues with copper head gaskets fitting. |
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virusdoc Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2018 Posts: 525 Location: Durham, NC, USA
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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Ohio Tom wrote: |
Sounds like the head is bored too large to me.
Maybe Roy can speak to that?
Maybe they are cut for 94's?
The copper head gasket should fit closely into the head. If it has 1mm of slop, that is an issue.
I have used CBP heads for over 20yrs now. The bores are always right on size and have no issues with copper head gaskets fitting. |
The heads are stamped 92, and given their ID I don't think it's possible they could fit 94's. So I believe I have the correct heads.
The measurements on the parts are as follows (quick averages with digital calipers):
Liner OD: 97.85
Gasket OD: 98.3
Heads ID: 99
This does give me 0.7 mm slop when the gaskets are in the head, consistent with the lateral movement I estimated by eye. _________________ 1976 Convertible Super Beetle, "June Bug".
FI-->34PICT3 carb conversion-->now dual 40 IDFs
Self-rebuilt 1904 (after totally botching a 1641 rebuild, cussing a lot, and throwing lots of cash in the fire) |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3553 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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I agree with Tom, I have used copperhead gaskets for 90.5 bore engines with heads from CBP. The copper gasket fits perfectly into the head, no slop. It is actually a pain to remove them.
If there is slop, I wouldn’t use them
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3466 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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Maybe the cylinder head is stamped 92 with the intention for 92 thickwall that uses 94 size od _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26790 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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OK sure that's a nice way of saying the head is bored too big.
Lose the gaskets or get heads that fit them |
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virusdoc Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2018 Posts: 525 Location: Durham, NC, USA
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Centering copper sealing gaskets on liner sealing surface |
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modok wrote: |
OK sure that's a nice way of saying the head is bored too big.
It's bored to fit cylinders that could exist |
Alrighty then. Consensus seems to be the heads are bored too big.
I'll work with Roy on this directly then I guess.
Thanks for the input. _________________ 1976 Convertible Super Beetle, "June Bug".
FI-->34PICT3 carb conversion-->now dual 40 IDFs
Self-rebuilt 1904 (after totally botching a 1641 rebuild, cussing a lot, and throwing lots of cash in the fire) |
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