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chris86uk Samba Member
Joined: February 23, 2012 Posts: 181 Location: England
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:40 pm Post subject: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Hi everyone,
I posted about a month ago about my fanbelt. The problem is, I replace the belt and the play is about correct, 0.5(ish) of an inch, but I have 0 shims between the pulley halves. After a couple of hundred miles, it's extremely loose again. I even paint marked the generator pulley nut to ensure it isn't backing off at all. The belts I'm using are 10mm x900mm.
I've taken some pics and a video to demonstrate this time. I've seen it said that the crank/generator pulleys being out of alignment will wear the edges of the belt (stands to reason). Note the black dust everywhere, which seems to agree with this theory. Also note, using my spirit level, how far out of alignment the pulleys seem to be.
I don't know how I could correctly align the generator pulley with the crank however. It's seated on the pedestal and bolted to the fan housing.
Any advice would be much appreciated.
Chris
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Mberglo Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2020 Posts: 383 Location: Huntsville, AL
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Maybe you need a slightly smaller belt. Then you can put some shims between pulleys and be able to start out a little tighter. |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3560 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Your belt should not ride that low. Ever. You need a shorter and or a wider belt. Your pulley could be subject also. |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3560 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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The picture of the torpedo level tells me you got butt sag, or your bus was parked on an incline or your mustache mounts are bad or missing. Alignment is not as critical as some would have you believe, it does change with shims. You should be able to eyeball that. Your belt riding that low in the pulley with no shims makes me think your pulley is the problem. |
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richparker Samba Member
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Is the nut tight when you go back and check the belt and find it loose? It should be. |
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richparker Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Is the nut tight when you go back and check the belt and find it loose? It should be. |
In the second and third pics it looks like he marked the nut with paint or a marker. _________________ __________
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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richparker wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
Is the nut tight when you go back and check the belt and find it loose? It should be. |
In the second and third pics it looks like he marked the nut with paint or a marker. |
That just means the nut hasn't turned, it doesn't mean that the nut was properly tightened against the washers. |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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It’s easy to mess up 38 amp and 30amp,generator and pulley parts, and if you don’t have the right set the pulley will get loose from side load. Make sure all those parts belong together. Pull them off, right down part numbers and post up.
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Brian Samba Moderator
Joined: May 28, 2012 Posts: 8340 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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I'll bite, whats the part number of your generator? The pulley feel like stamped steel?
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telford dorr Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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It looks like you have a cast iron front (nearest to the generator) pulley. Hopefully, this is paired with a 38 amp generator mounted on a dished fan tin... _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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The sharp/machined lip on the inner pulley gives it away as cast iron.
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aeromech Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Isn’t there supposed to be a certain amount of shims used? You vary the combination to achieve a tight belt but you always need to have a total of 7 or 8 (can’t remember) shims or else your nut will bottom out on the shaft threads _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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airschooled Air-Schooled
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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aeromech wrote: |
Isn’t there supposed to be a certain amount of shims used? You vary the combination to achieve a tight belt but you always need to have a total of 7 or 8 (can’t remember) shims or else your nut will bottom out on the shaft threads |
That was true when VW was the only one making shims, all perfectly true and identical in size. Nowadays half the new shims in blister packs need lapping, and the sizes are all over the map. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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It looks to me like there's no shims between the pulley halfs and they are all under the washer, yet the belt isn't getting tight enough. That outer pulley half looks a bit odd, usually it's the same diameter as the inner on a 38a, that one looks slightly bigger, is the mix of parts messing with the belt gap? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Constantly slack fanbelt |
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Is the crankshaft pulley the 7" OD? If smaller, it is an earlier pulley and not good for the DH cooling system for a bus. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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