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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences Reply with quote

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Any light to be shined on the different coil brackets. Both Bosch, one has notched ears where it mounts to the fan shroud. Also the same one only has a single hole on one side above the clamping screw
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Any answers to the old offset slotted coil bracket question? I found one in my stash & curious what it's for.


This should depend on the exact date when the coil and bracket were made but I canít tell exactly, should check some of my coils. There are also other differences of the brackets to be noticed. 52-53 brackets were usually painted and they have six tiny holes looking similar to the ones on the bracket of the earlier TL6/1 coils.


Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences Reply with quote

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Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure.


Prevailing theory is zinc. I am willing to bet though that it is just plain zinc as opposed to the two step process common today which is Clear Zinc" I think clear zinc will remain brighter longer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:28 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

That rear tin with the finger will work with 36hp IF you have the correct pulley tin. But 25hp rear tins are slightly different from 54-55 rear tins.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

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I believe Yes.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.

Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.

I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Early lower pulley tin I posted recently, it's on my 2/55 Bus long block I bought a couple years ago for my Bus:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences Reply with quote

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Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure.


Prevailing theory is zinc. I am willing to bet though that it is just plain zinc as opposed to the two step process common today which is Clear Zinc" I think clear zinc will remain brighter longer.


Clear zinc is a dull color and almost is flat. Zinc with chromate is what you would expect to find on hardware at your typical big box store or local hardware store. Zinc w/chromate is what is my entire engine hard ware is along with linkage and coil strap.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

A couple more lower pulley tin and finger pics below

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Finger tin fills gap:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450472

I believe Yes.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.

Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.

I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Thanks for uploading the pics Everett, I thought I had some downloaded but couldnít find them. Pics are better than words in this thread!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450472

I believe Yes.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.

Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.

I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws?


I can't remember.

I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450472

I believe Yes.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.

Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.

I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws?


I can't remember.

I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening.


I posted the answer on the previous page of this thread:

The change from three to two screws on each side took place between Dec 1954 and Jan 1955 (somewhere between engine # 922579 and 960717).

To answer the OP's question: The "25hp" tin for sale is early '55.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

You guys are awesome! Now to find the crank pulley ttin and generator pulley..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450472

I believe Yes.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.

Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.

I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws?


I can't remember.

I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening.


I posted the answer on the previous page of this thread:

The change from three to two screws on each side took place between Dec 1954 and Jan 1955 (somewhere between engine # 922579 and 960717).

To answer the OP's question: The "25hp" tin for sale is early '55.


My '55 Barndoor Bus engine was 20-959033 so it was in that range.

Thanks for the clarification on the tin for sale above.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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One question to the experts: the generator strap, should this be painted or not?

It is painted black in numerous engine photos in this thread.

Example (not the best close-up):
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I was re-reading a ton of this thread and in a super old post I mentioned that the 2 coil mounting screws here should be bolts instead.

I noticed today that the 4 screws for the generator backing plate should also be bolts.

There were a few other incorrect things mentioned at the time too so I didn't want to start a new listing since it's from a ling time ago - See page 2 for details
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