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lardawge Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences |
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transportertalkman wrote: |
Any light to be shined on the different coil brackets. Both Bosch, one has notched ears where it mounts to the fan shroud. Also the same one only has a single hole on one side above the clamping screw
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Any answers to the old offset slotted coil bracket question? I found one in my stash & curious what it's for. |
This should depend on the exact date when the coil and bracket were made but I can’t tell exactly, should check some of my coils. There are also other differences of the brackets to be noticed. 52-53 brackets were usually painted and they have six tiny holes looking similar to the ones on the bracket of the earlier TL6/1 coils. |
Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure. _________________ 11/2/54 L227 Strato Silver Ragtop - Soon to be L41 Black - Build Thread
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Dan22 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2019 Posts: 456 Location: Battle Ground, WA
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences |
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Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure. |
Prevailing theory is zinc. I am willing to bet though that it is just plain zinc as opposed to the two step process common today which is Clear Zinc" I think clear zinc will remain brighter longer. _________________ 1-0900722 die langsame grüne Schildkröte
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BGLOCOTE Samba Member
Joined: April 25, 2011 Posts: 114 Location: WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Is this tin correct for Jan 55?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2450472 _________________ 1955 TYPE 1 Under Construction
1962 TYPE 1 SOLD
Looking for 54-55 TYPE 1 finger tin.
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motofly196 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:26 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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That rear tin with the finger will work with 36hp IF you have the correct pulley tin. But 25hp rear tins are slightly different from 54-55 rear tins. |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:52 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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I believe Yes.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.
Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.
I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Coil bracket differences |
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Dan22 wrote: |
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Anyone know what these were plated with? I have one but it looks like raw metal so not sure. |
Prevailing theory is zinc. I am willing to bet though that it is just plain zinc as opposed to the two step process common today which is Clear Zinc" I think clear zinc will remain brighter longer. |
Clear zinc is a dull color and almost is flat. Zinc with chromate is what you would expect to find on hardware at your typical big box store or local hardware store. Zinc w/chromate is what is my entire engine hard ware is along with linkage and coil strap. _________________ www.blastserv.com
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EverettB Administrator
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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EverettB wrote: |
I believe Yes.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.
Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.
I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws? _________________ www.blastserv.com
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motofly196 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Thanks for uploading the pics Everett, I thought I had some downloaded but couldn’t find them. Pics are better than words in this thread!! |
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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gatorwyatt wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
I believe Yes.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.
Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.
I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws? |
I can't remember.
I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening. _________________ How to Post Photos
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janerick3 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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EverettB wrote: |
gatorwyatt wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
I believe Yes.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.
Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.
I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws? |
I can't remember.
I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening. |
I posted the answer on the previous page of this thread:
The change from three to two screws on each side took place between Dec 1954 and Jan 1955 (somewhere between engine # 922579 and 960717).
To answer the OP's question: The "25hp" tin for sale is early '55. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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BGLOCOTE Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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You guys are awesome! Now to find the crank pulley ttin and generator pulley.. _________________ 1955 TYPE 1 Under Construction
1962 TYPE 1 SOLD
Looking for 54-55 TYPE 1 finger tin.
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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janerick3 wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
gatorwyatt wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
I believe Yes.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin with crank hole on it.
Original engine and most original parts.
Not sure exactly what the difference is between 25hp and 36hp finger tins but there are differences.
I know one difference between them is 3 hole vs 2 hole
25hp on top here for sure, unsure how far that extended into early 36hp:
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Did your 1/55 have two holes for lower tin screws? |
I can't remember.
I wish I had taken better pics of everything as I want to know that for my 2/55 Bus now.
I know it had the finger tin though because I remember it being a pain to remove the oil filler because it had the hole instead of the U-shaped opening. |
I posted the answer on the previous page of this thread:
The change from three to two screws on each side took place between Dec 1954 and Jan 1955 (somewhere between engine # 922579 and 960717).
To answer the OP's question: The "25hp" tin for sale is early '55. |
My '55 Barndoor Bus engine was 20-959033 so it was in that range.
Thanks for the clarification on the tin for sale above. _________________ How to Post Photos
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EverettB Administrator
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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EverettB wrote: |
Chrisisw wrote: |
One question to the experts: the generator strap, should this be painted or not? |
It is painted black in numerous engine photos in this thread.
Example (not the best close-up):
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I was re-reading a ton of this thread and in a super old post I mentioned that the 2 coil mounting screws here should be bolts instead.
I noticed today that the 4 screws for the generator backing plate should also be bolts.
There were a few other incorrect things mentioned at the time too so I didn't want to start a new listing since it's from a ling time ago - See page 2 for details _________________ How to Post Photos
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Frederik Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Thought I would share this distributor here as well.
The change-over to VJU4BR8 was engine # 1-0849905 (chassis # 1-0702742 or 43 if the 42 was the last with BR3) late in August 1954.
This distributor has date code 7K (July 1954). It still has its (probably) original condenser with date code 6K (June 1954). It was common that the condensers pre-dated the production date of the distributor with a month or so. The vacuum can has date code KIII (1954 3rd quarter) and still is the "early" BR2/3 model with a hexagonal vacuum connection further out from the housing. Still in faded original paint (yellow color dot on the under side). The badge has the "VJU4BR8" engraved, a method usually used on low production or test/ early production series distributors. So this is probably one of the very first produced and ever used VJU4BR8.
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sgellis Samba Member
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D-train Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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sgellis wrote: |
Was the fastener on end of fan shroud a flat head or hex head? This photo has a hex but I have seen photos with a flat head. Trying to be correct with my 4/54.
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Is that air filter the 3 finger or the round pressings? _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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sgellis Samba Member
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RockStock Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:51 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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sgellis wrote: |
Was the fastener on end of fan shroud a flat head or hex head? |
Should be a cheese head screw, not the hex head. _________________ -StockRocks- |
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