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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:24 pm Post subject: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Is anyone using EMPI Cal. blade bumpers?
Are they decent quality or crap??
Thinking about a set with adapter brackets for my 68. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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I have not had direct experience with the Empi ones, but in general any of the néw chrome bumpers don’t hold up great in the elements. Chrominance these days is terrible. Have you looked into stainless steel? Several companies out of Vietnam sell SS bumpers and I have heard good things so far. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
I have not had direct experience with the Empi ones, but in general any of the néw chrome bumpers don’t hold up great in the elements. Chrominance these days is terrible. Have you looked into stainless steel? Several companies out of Vietnam sell SS bumpers and I have heard good things so far. |
I purchased Chrome plated stainless steel Euro Blades from CIP1.
They are equal to the OEM metal thickness.
Not cheap by any means though.
Will report in when they arrive. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Bug53 wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
I have not had direct experience with the Empi ones, but in general any of the néw chrome bumpers don’t hold up great in the elements. Chrominance these days is terrible. Have you looked into stainless steel? Several companies out of Vietnam sell SS bumpers and I have heard good things so far. |
I purchased Chrome plated stainless steel Euro Blades from CIP1.
They are equal to the OEM metal thickness.
Not cheap by any means though.
Will report in when they arrive. |
Chrome plated SS would be very odd. Are you sure they aren’t polished SS? Highly polished SS looks like chrome. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
Bug53 wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
I have not had direct experience with the Empi ones, but in general any of the néw chrome bumpers don’t hold up great in the elements. Chrominance these days is terrible. Have you looked into stainless steel? Several companies out of Vietnam sell SS bumpers and I have heard good things so far. |
I purchased Chrome plated stainless steel Euro Blades from CIP1.
They are equal to the OEM metal thickness.
Not cheap by any means though.
Will report in when they arrive. |
Chrome plated SS would be very odd. Are you sure they aren’t polished SS? Highly polished SS looks like chrome. |
No they are chrome plated stainless. Chrome is actually slightly different than polished stainless when put next to each other. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3838 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:11 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Probably these...
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C21%2D0007%2D3
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C21%2D0008%2D3
Interesting how they state that they're stainless so they'll never rust, then put their canned bumper statement in the ad for them...from the ad page:
"These are the finest bumpers on the market. Made from Stainless steel so they'll never rust, thick original quality metal with a brilliant chrome finish...
*Special Note about Chrome Bumpers*
Rust only appears if chrome bumpers are neglected. Please follow these Bumper maintenance instructions to keep your chrome bumpers from rusting. You MUST coat these Bumpers with a light coating of wax (ex. Mothers or Meguiar's car wax www.meguiars.com) in order to keep any moisture from rusting the chrome. If you live in a northern or coastal area with salt air or harsh winter conditions, you will need to wax more often. We recommend waxing your chrome bumpers and wheels every time you wash the vehicle." (End quote)
If they're truly a quality grade of stainless, with no free iron to rust under the chrome, then they'll probably (and SHOULD) stay rust-free for a long time. The moron(s) at CIP who wrote that ^ blurb is suggesting that chrome rusts, which it does not...the steel underneath is what rusts. So to have to wax and otherwise seal cheap chrome bumpers is to be trying to seal a crap chrome job from water and other oxidizers (chrome which, if from China, was probably applied over rusty metal to begin with).
In any case, hopefully yours were made with a recipe that will provide many years of bright shiny service. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:03 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Bug53 wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
Bug53 wrote: |
Sharp64 wrote: |
I have not had direct experience with the Empi ones, but in general any of the néw chrome bumpers don’t hold up great in the elements. Chrominance these days is terrible. Have you looked into stainless steel? Several companies out of Vietnam sell SS bumpers and I have heard good things so far. |
I purchased Chrome plated stainless steel Euro Blades from CIP1.
They are equal to the OEM metal thickness.
Not cheap by any means though.
Will report in when they arrive. |
Chrome plated SS would be very odd. Are you sure they aren’t polished SS? Highly polished SS looks like chrome. |
No they are chrome plated stainless. Chrome is actually slightly different than polished stainless when put next to each other. |
Trust me, I’ve polished dozens if not hundreds of SS items. I’m aware there is a difference in polished SS and Chrome. Done correctly most people wouldn’t know the difference however. It will be interesting to see what you receive. They seem the be the only one selling chrome plated SS bumpers. Wondering if they aren’t having them flash chromed at this price? Hopefully not. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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sgmalt46 Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2005 Posts: 1296 Location: south san francisco
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:17 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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crappy (china) stainless steel does rust as well. _________________ 55 deluxe 23 window bus
64 crew cab
55 rag top beetle
66 beetle
71 square back (sold) ! good luck with it Henry!
46 beetle 552nd royal army service corps CCG |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2502 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:56 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Busstom wrote: |
So to have to wax and otherwise seal cheap chrome bumpers is to be trying to seal a crap chrome job from water and other oxidizers. |
The 54-year-old original chrome bumpers on my Karmann Ghia still look great with only an occasional coat of wax over the years...and this car has spent its entire life only a stone's throw from the Pacific Ocean. Quality chrome plating on good steel should last many years without having to wax it every couple of weeks. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3838 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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I know it, one of my '65s has the original rear bumper and there's not a spec of rust on it. Another rear bumper I snagged from a wrecking yard came out of a bad engine fire car, sat there for years before I got to it, and has been sitting outside for years since I got it, with black tarnish but no rust. Just can't duplicate that durability these days. |
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5473 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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He's anyone done anodized aluminum bumper blades? It would shave some weight and it's not like the blade bumpers offer much protection. It would be a more understated and stockish look than running aluminum t-bars. _________________
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As a general rule, cheap parts are the most expensive parts you can buy. |
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9829 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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EVfun wrote: |
He's anyone done anodized aluminum bumper blades? It would shave some weight and it's not like the blade bumpers offer much protection. It would be a more understated and stockish look than running aluminum t-bars. |
Ah, yes------good old Briz Bumpers. I haven't heard them mentioned in many years. |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2502 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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EVfun wrote: |
He's anyone done anodized aluminum bumper blades? |
Anodizing won’t produce a luster similar to chrome unless the base metal is first polished to a mirror finish. If not tinted in one of several colors, anodizing is generally clear, allowing the natural matte finish of the aluminum to show thru. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Mervo Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2016 Posts: 75 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:07 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Stainless= "stain less". None are perfect and all need some maintenance _________________ 1962 Porsche 356
1968 Porsche 911 (sold)
1988 Porsche 911
2004 Porsche Turbo
1960 VW beetle (Australian) |
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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Busstom wrote: |
Probably these...
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C21%2D0007%2D3
https://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C21%2D0008%2D3
Interesting how they state that they're stainless so they'll never rust, then put their canned bumper statement in the ad for them...from the ad page:
"These are the finest bumpers on the market. Made from Stainless steel so they'll never rust, thick original quality metal with a brilliant chrome finish...
*Special Note about Chrome Bumpers*
Rust only appears if chrome bumpers are neglected. Please follow these Bumper maintenance instructions to keep your chrome bumpers from rusting. You MUST coat these Bumpers with a light coating of wax (ex. Mothers or Meguiar's car wax www.meguiars.com) in order to keep any moisture from rusting the chrome. If you live in a northern or coastal area with salt air or harsh winter conditions, you will need to wax more often. We recommend waxing your chrome bumpers and wheels every time you wash the vehicle." (End quote)
If they're truly a quality grade of stainless, with no free iron to rust under the chrome, then they'll probably (and SHOULD) stay rust-free for a long time. The moron(s) at CIP who wrote that ^ blurb is suggesting that chrome rusts, which it does not...the steel underneath is what rusts. So to have to wax and otherwise seal cheap chrome bumpers is to be trying to seal a crap chrome job from water and other oxidizers (chrome which, if from China, was probably applied over rusty metal to begin with).
In any case, hopefully yours were made with a recipe that will provide many years of bright shiny service. |
The bumpers arrived intact.
Bumper blades and chrome is flawless.
Rear fit with the adapter brackets on my 68 perfectly.
Front didn't match the adapter bracket by 1-1/2" .
CIP1 looked into it and found some notes on the manufacturers description that an additional hole would need to be drilled in the bumper on each side.
It would have been super if they had that on the web page as they wouldn't have got the order.
Just saying. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3838 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Bug53 wrote: |
Front didn't match the adapter bracket by 1-1/2" .
CIP1 looked into it and found some notes on the manufacturers description that an additional hole would need to be drilled in the bumper on each side.
It would have been super if they had that on the web page as they wouldn't have got the order.
Just saying. |
Yeah, that's a bit of a drag. If you drill them, I guess you can take a small paint brush and touch up the holes with some thick paint so that rain exposure doesn't lead to eventual rust bleeding. The brackets will cover up the drilled holes.
I was burned by CIP about 12 years ago, I had to have my credit card provider demand a replacement wheel or refund me for the whole set...they decided to send me a new wheel. Needless to say, I haven't ordered another thing from them since. |
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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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I tried the "Euro" style bumpers from CIP on my latest project. They are just OK but better than the dented up OG bumpers. They arent as thick as the OGs but will do what I want them to do. CIP does say that you should keep wax on them after each washing or they will rust...so far so good .
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viiking Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2013 Posts: 2667 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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You have to be careful even with stainless steel as Mervo has said.
The best stainless that most of us come across is SS 316 used for marine fittings. SS 304 is also common but is an inferior grade but adequate for kitchen utensils, kitchen sinks etc.
Unless the type of SS is specified and not 316 or 304 you could end up with an inferior grade of SS which can still be problematic. Some stainless steels can still be affected seriously by salt water solutions, i.e. salted roads.
I've seen poor grades of stainless steel which "stain" (read corrode) after a few years in the industrial environment.
Not saying these bumpers aren't any good but my position is if the vendor doesn't say they are 316 or 304 then generally they are of poor quality (but still better than rusty chrome plated). _________________ 1968 1500 RHD Lotus White Beetle since birth. In the hospital for major surgery
1966 Lancia Flavia Pininfarina Coupe - in the waiting room
Discharged: 1983 Vanagon, 1974 1800 Microbus,1968 Low Light,1968 Type 3 |
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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Busstom wrote: |
Bug53 wrote: |
Front didn't match the adapter bracket by 1-1/2" .
CIP1 looked into it and found some notes on the manufacturers description that an additional hole would need to be drilled in the bumper on each side.
It would have been super if they had that on the web page as they wouldn't have got the order.
Just saying. |
Yeah, that's a bit of a drag. If you drill them, I guess you can take a small paint brush and touch up the holes with some thick paint so that rain exposure doesn't lead to eventual rust bleeding. The brackets will cover up the drilled holes.
I was burned by CIP about 12 years ago, I had to have my credit card provider demand a replacement wheel or refund me for the whole set...they decided to send me a new wheel. Needless to say, I haven't ordered another thing from them since. |
I was mostly bummed out by the total garbage EMPI bumperettes they sent me. They do not advertise these as EMPI or I never would have bought them. They are truly garbage. |
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Bug53 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2021 Posts: 704 Location: Pawcatuck, CT.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI Cal.Blade Bumpers - Any good? |
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Busstom wrote: |
Bug53 wrote: |
Front didn't match the adapter bracket by 1-1/2" .
CIP1 looked into it and found some notes on the manufacturers description that an additional hole would need to be drilled in the bumper on each side.
It would have been super if they had that on the web page as they wouldn't have got the order.
Just saying. |
Yeah, that's a bit of a drag. If you drill them, I guess you can take a small paint brush and touch up the holes with some thick paint so that rain exposure doesn't lead to eventual rust bleeding. The brackets will cover up the drilled holes.
I was burned by CIP about 12 years ago, I had to have my credit card provider demand a replacement wheel or refund me for the whole set...they decided to send me a new wheel. Needless to say, I haven't ordered another thing from them since. |
I was mostly bummed out by the total garbage EMPI bumperettes they sent me. They do not advertise these as EMPI or I never would have bought them. They are truly garbage. |
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