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Matthew Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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I know of a well documented 1957 beetle with 36hp engine that was meticulously maintained by the OG owner from new and went past 100k before the first valve job. It was around 230k with only that one valve job when we lost track of it. _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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Shane Tuttle Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Everyone else provided nice, long, detailed, and thoughtful answers.
Didn't hear a budget. So, I would say, call up Berg and buy every single part they say to buy....down to the last washer and sealant. Build it EXACTLY how they say to build it. Drive it EXACTLY the way they say...
You get the idea. Might wanna check on how much equity is in your home. It will cost you to go this route. |
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wheel607 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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It also matters, IT REALLY matters, how much of a foot you continue to throw at the gas pedal. Are you going to drive it at the maximum speed, say 65mph during the 25 years it may take to add up to 200K. Will you be the ONLY person to ever drive it? Seems like I have heard this question before in the 1960s at the dealership, when they said "honest, it will get 200,000 miles before it even needs a tuneup". I know this is an exercise in futility, but you all know this has as much chance of happening as...... whatever. |
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vwpieces Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: UpHill BothWays, PA
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Didn't state it had to be air-cooled so, stock 1.6L Turbo Diesel
Grocery store veggie oil, heating oil, engine waste oil... list goes on and On. I will have Fuel way past 2031. _________________ 68 BUS
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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vwpieces wrote: |
Didn't state it had to be air-cooled |
Technically a "motor" mean and electrical motor as opposed to a internal combustion "engine". _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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vwpieces Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: UpHill BothWays, PA
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Glenn wrote: |
vwpieces wrote: |
Didn't state it had to be air-cooled |
Technically a "motor" mean and electrical motor as opposed to a internal combustion "engine". |
OK, guess that limits this thread to electric motors from New VW's.
"VW motor" _________________ 68 BUS
83 JETTA TURBO DIESEL
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Matthew Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2004 Posts: 1760 Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Glenn wrote: |
vwpieces wrote: |
Didn't state it had to be air-cooled |
Technically a "motor" mean and electrical motor as opposed to a internal combustion "engine". |
Interesting since technically we are discussing motor vehicles which until the Tesla were primarily powered by internal combustion.
Several dictionaries state it can be either internal combustion or electrical power.
[url] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motor [/url]
[url] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/motor [/url]
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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Max Welton Samba Member
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Matthew wrote: |
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. |
I totally agree.
For some unknown reason folks keep brining up the T4 as a great long living engine. WE GET IT!
But this thread is about a T1 200K single port.
Not some 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 Porsche wanna be poser! _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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I had a 73 bus and it dropped a valve or a seat at around 70 thousand miles. Even back in 1982 parts were about 3 times normal type 1.
I didn’t see the amazing longevity I saw an expensive POS which is why I bailed out and got a 64 camper. As to the original question I’d have to agree with 1500 cc engine being long lived, but only if it received proper care and maintenance. |
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vwpieces Samba Member
Joined: March 23, 2005 Posts: 345 Location: UpHill BothWays, PA
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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I am a 1600 SP fan boy all day.
Run one in my 68 bus.
Balanced, dual carb, my own head work and a special cam.
Stock flywheel and weighted steel crank pulley.
Seriously doubt this engine will make it 100K in a bus but even 80K in a bus is doing well.
Also building another for a project... on the stand now.
But the 1600 SP is as low, or can I say backward as I will go.. trying to balance power vs longevity. _________________ 68 BUS
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evanfrucht Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Matthew wrote: |
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. |
I totally agree.
For some unknown reason folks keep brining up the T4 as a great long living engine. WE GET IT!
But this thread is about a T1 200K single port.
Not some 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 Porsche wanna be poser! |
Buncha posers _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1211 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:01 am Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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evanfrucht wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
Matthew wrote: |
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. |
I totally agree.
For some unknown reason folks keep brining up the T4 as a great long living engine. WE GET IT!
But this thread is about a T1 200K single port.
Not some 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 Porsche wanna be poser! |
Buncha posers |
to be fair, Spencervee did not clarify the type 1 criteria till later in the thread . Looks like the type 1 only guys are a little sensitive .
from a 2600cc Type 4 guy that likes telling people its only got a Veedub bus motor , not a Porsche or Scooby-do .
if you beat them in a race . They can accept a Porsche or a Subi , but being smoked by a VW bus motor, that hurts !!! Priceless . |
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:34 am Post subject: Re: if you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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oprn wrote: |
The type 3 by the way lasted a bit longer that the type 1 in general, some say better temp control, some say FI, I say both. |
The carbed type 3s lasted longer, too, so it wasn't only the injection that gave them longevity, even though the bottom end had to deal with more power.
Type 1s and 3s were assembled at the factory with the same level of care...just sayin' |
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:11 am Post subject: Re: if you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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FreeBug wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
The type 3 by the way lasted a bit longer that the type 1 in general, some say better temp control, some say FI, I say both. |
The carbed type 3s lasted longer, too, so it wasn't only the injection that gave them longevity, even though the bottom end had to deal with more power.
Type 1s and 3s were assembled at the factory with the same level of care...just sayin' |
The last year for the dual carb type 3 in Canada was rated at 66 HP whereas the FI was rated at 65 HP so no FI didn't necessarily have more power. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:40 am Post subject: Re: if you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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FreeBug wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
The type 3 by the way lasted a bit longer that the type 1 in general, some say better temp control, some say FI, I say both. |
The carbed type 3s lasted longer, too, so it wasn't only the injection that gave them longevity, even though the bottom end had to deal with more power.
Type 1s and 3s were assembled at the factory with the same level of care...just sayin' |
........................................................................................................................the type 3 MOTORs oh engine sorry . i am a gear head i say motor the type 3 motors .lasted longer made more power . i think it was the bigger fan that cooled the motor better than the type 1 fans did and the type 3 got cool air from the out side the engine bay so it never got hot air to cool the motor from inside the engine bay just my two cents spencerfvee |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:45 am Post subject: Re: if you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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oprn wrote: |
FreeBug wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
The type 3 by the way lasted a bit longer that the type 1 in general, some say better temp control, some say FI, I say both. |
The carbed type 3s lasted longer, too, so it wasn't only the injection that gave them longevity, even though the bottom end had to deal with more power.
Type 1s and 3s were assembled at the factory with the same level of care...just sayin' |
The last year for the dual carb type 3 in Canada was rated at 66 HP whereas the FI was rated at 65 HP so no FI didn't necessarily have more power. |
.................................................................................................................................when i worked at a vw dealer ship in 1973 i loved driveing the type 3 vws . then along came the 411 then the 412s what a dog they were to drive . when they had a auto trans . same with the bus when it had a auto trans . in 1973 spencerfvee |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:04 am Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Wreck wrote: |
evanfrucht wrote: |
67rustavenger wrote: |
Matthew wrote: |
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. |
I totally agree.
For some unknown reason folks keep brining up the T4 as a great long living engine. WE GET IT!
But this thread is about a T1 200K single port.
Not some 1.7, 1.8, 2.0 Porsche wanna be poser! |
Buncha posers |
to be fair, Spencervee did not clarify the type 1 criteria till later in the thread . Looks like the type 1 only guys are a little sensitive .
from a 2600cc Type 4 guy that likes telling people its only got a Veedub bus motor , not a Porsche or Scooby-do .
if you beat them in a race . They can accept a Porsche or a Subi , but being smoked by a VW bus motor, that hurts !!! Priceless . |
................................................................................................................i dont think type 1 guys are as you put it are senstive . i posted on this forum . how can you build a typ1 engine or motor to run 200,000 miles . most of the type 1 guys wanted to hear about how would you build a type 1 motor to go 200,000 miles . and then the type 4 guys .had there two cents .and say that the type 4 motors were better . and thats ok . but they were of no help on how to build a type 1 motor to run over 200,000 miles .to me it seems that there were more type1 motors built than the type 4 motors that vw built over the years . thats why i posted on this forum how to go 200,000 miles with a vw bug type 1 motor . i think its great to hear what other vw guys have to say about how they would build a type one motor to go 200,000 miles spencerfvee |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:17 am Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
I had a 73 bus and it dropped a valve or a seat at around 70 thousand miles. Even back in 1982 parts were about 3 times normal type 1.
I didn’t see the amazing longevity I saw an expensive POS which is why I bailed out and got a 64 camper. As to the original question I’d have to agree with 1500 cc engine being long lived, but only if it received proper care and maintenance. |
...................................................................................................................................i am going to try to be nice to the type 4 guys . in all the vw shops i ever worked for. no body wanted to work on type 4 motors . we all had to and we did a good job rebuilding them .and this is my take on the type 4 motors . i found the typ4 motors to be a pain in the ass to work on. cost a lot of money to rebuild .and because used type 4 parts are hard to find. it all ways cost way more money to build a type 4 motor . if its your thing to use a type4 motor for your vw more power to you spencerfvee |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:29 am Post subject: Re: If you were to build a stock vw motor to last 200,000 miles |
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Matthew wrote: |
Glenn wrote: |
vwpieces wrote: |
Didn't state it had to be air-cooled |
Technically a "motor" mean and electrical motor as opposed to a internal combustion "engine". |
Interesting since technically we are discussing motor vehicles which until the Tesla were primarily powered by internal combustion.
Several dictionaries state it can be either internal combustion or electrical power.
[url] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/motor [/url]
[url] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/motor [/url]
I think Spencer cleared it up along (after the original post) the way that the discussion is about type 1 VW. |
.............................................................................................................................. when i hang around vw guys at shows or swap meets 90% of the time guys say motor not engine i think people under stand what people say . when they say motor and not engine my self i like to use the word motor because. i dont want to up set the native Americans by saying engines .lol lol spencerfvee . |
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