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ricekooker
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 Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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| I've read the change happened in 1958 but does anyone know what month? I have a 58 (9/57) Kombi and just want to make sure I have the right seat. |
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Either the "Progressive Refinements" or the "Type 2 Parts Reference" manuals are a must for questions like that.
http://www.oacdp.org/
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ricekooker
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
Either the "Progressive Refinements" or the "Type 2 Parts Reference" manuals are a must for questions like that.
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Thanks. Looks like the curved change happened 4/57 according to page A-34. I have the wrong seat back... |
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| Its an april of 57 change, i believe its when the bubble taillights were dropped which is also in that month. pm me about your seat, i have one i might be willing to swap |
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BulliBill
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Yeah, that reference in P.R. was for a change on a Type 1 beetle chassis number, not a Type 2 Bus chassis number. Anyone know for sure when the Bus seat shape happened?
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bill may
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Yeah, that reference in P.R. was for a change on a Type 1 beetle chassis number, not a Type 2 Bus chassis number. Anyone know for sure when the Bus seat shape happened?
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i thought 1960 had flat bench and change was for 61 and 62 buses. then the 1/3 -2/3 was for 63. but i could bev wrong.
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BulliBill
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Howdy Mr. May,
I think he is referring to the change from the black upholstery fairly "flat shaped profile" backrest to the grey upholstered backrests in late '58 through 60-61 with the curved profile. Not the "humpback style seats later in '62 or so...
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bill may
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Howdy Mr. May,
I think he is referring to the change from the black upholstery fairly "flat shaped profile" backrest to the grey upholstered backrests in late '58 through 60-61 with the curved profile. Not the "humpback style seats later in '62 or so...
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bummer i missed the gray upholstry part. 
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Judging by the post title I took it as the switch from the flat back seat tops to the curved back ones. Was this change the same for commercials and standards/deluxes? I have wondered this as well. The only interior that my 5/57 Standard had in it when I bought it was the flat back front seat top. I figured it would be highly unlikely that all the seats were gone and a PO just so happened to find the correct color for the model seat top but from an earlier bus. With this assumption in mind I have since found both original upholstery rear seats. I to am very curious as to when the change was made from the flat back seats to the curved ones.
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ricekooker
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These seats are in a 11/57 kombi (vin 300060). (from malik's gallery)
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Bret Young
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:41 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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Reviving an old thread - sorry.
Figured I would utilize this thread since there is already good information here.
I have a '57 PGSG Standard and I am trying to determine the correct front seat backrest. I bought the bus already stripped and disassembled, but trying to determine which front seat backrest is correct for the bus.
The bus was built in April '57. VIN is 256946.
Despite being made the same month, it also missed the end of the Bubble Tail Lights/Third Brake Light Decklid which transitioned at 246964 (another April '57 change).
It had a later humpback seat in the bus when I purchased it and trying to determine which seat I need to replace it with.
Any help is appreciated!
Thanks!
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Lind
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:57 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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I had a very original August 1957 panel that had a flat back seat. I believe the change to curved back was in the fall of 1957.
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bobrk
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:46 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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Just to pile on, my 59 SC has curved back seats. The frames looked OG to me.
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Bret Young
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:01 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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| Lind wrote: |
| I had a very original August 1957 panel that had a flat back seat. I believe the change to curved back was in the fall of 1957. |
Thank you for the information, Lind. That was super helpful. I will source the correct "flat back" backrest for it. |
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earlywesty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:20 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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| bobrk wrote: |
Just to pile on, my 59 SC has curved back seats. The frames looked OG to me.
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Why does that truck have a 3 position seat mount for a humpback seat? |
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bobrk
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: Re: When did flat back seats change to curved? |
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| buseric wrote: |
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Just to pile on, my 59 SC has curved back seats. The frames looked OG to me.
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It's not a hump back. It's a curved back. 😉
A previous owner made quite a few modifications to the seat mounts, both by adding extra adjustment to the back by putting those ugly fixings in with a rather crudely welded mount, and also adding a piece of angle iron at the bottom to increase leg room. I'm probably going to cut those extra adjustments off of the top before somebody gets gutted climbing into the truck, but the angle iron mod is going to stay because I'm 6'2" and need the legroom.
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