you were to build a stock type 1 vw motor to go 200,000 miles

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[Zundfolge1432]

Just Google catch can. It’s on every automotive forum as a must have thing to do. If it was so good it would be OEM or aftermarket would be all over it.

[Wreck]

[Meiang]

Thanks for the advise on single port heads. Where are the heads from aircooled.net and AA Performance cast. I don't want any Chinese products.

20 + years ago I bought some new VW of Mexico single port heads and also some NOS VW german single port heads. The Mexican heads are not very good quality (pretty terrible actually) and the German heads would need hardened valve seats. Getting any engine machine work done in this part of the world is extremely difficult especially air cooled engines - air cooled what?

I don't want to go through the machining excercise - fit straight out of the box.

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[Chickensoup]

[jpaull]

In Spencers 2nd post he states that he should have said Type 1. Its not edited. Give the guy a break. You can see what he means, and its his thread.
Human car guy nature. He is posting 200k not cause he is gonna go on 50 cross country marathons, he is asking it it to get ideas and gain insight to help in his own builds, weather he drives 200k or not.

Because he asked nicely once, and as people kept bringing up type 4 engines he seen the need to change the title. Again, give the guy a break, that was thke proper thing to do. He also had to get a little "obvious" and less tactful when people right essays and keep posting type 4 stuff. People like what they like. It doesnt matter that some aspects of a type 4 make more sense, same as it doesnt matter that a $1500 toyota makes more sense. We are in the hobby as a hobby, choose what we like regardless of its downfaults and have fun with it.

[Chickensoup]

Can i get an Amen for my brutha jpaull?

i think spencervee has been more polite than 98% of the people on this forum including myself and deserves the same respect back.
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Jpaull

No one was trying to sell T-4. Just explaining what a T-4 can do being the closest engine to a T-1 and learn from the experienced engineers on the subject VW.

I have sold thousands of my manual world wide since 1992. I have very happy T-4 friends like Wreck and Vanapplebomb that also are trying to explain the advantages of T-4, not to sell it but to use as a guide.

This forum is about helping each other, that is what we are trying to do. Obviously he has something against T-4 and does not want to take advantage of our experiences.












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[jpaull]

NextGen, there was a point when the original posters message should have been clear regarding his desire to consider type 4's, that was 5 pages ago.

Type 1 enthusiest dont care if a type 4 can go a million miles, its not where our passion is and what we enjoy.

How bout if someone came into every 1 of your zillion random threads and suggested u drop that low horsepower boat anchor and convert to type 1? And they kept on it for 5 pages? Complete with Engineering style essays and vw sources? Then, they told you after your 5 rejections that you dont want a type 1 "jeeze, the guy must have something against type 1's"
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[Wreck]

I get it , it's Spencers thread but I guess I react (must be precious ) when pooled in with the "Porsche wanna be posers" or people saying the engines are crap. Any way back to information Spencer would want to read .

Because of the engine below I normally don't get sucked into the type4 verses type 1 engine life arguments because I believe the owner , builder/maintainer has more to do with it than any design difference when NOT used in a HEAVY bus .

my friends 1640 that did over 300,000km , did it with only 1 head rebuild , reason was a sucked in manifold gasket causing a burnt valve . familiar story .So sorry Clatter how would you like your hat , raw or cooked

this engine was built in the late eighties ,so no cheap parts . standard German crank just everything balanced . It also did a lot of the miles with leaded fuel and an upper cylinder lubricate system . That would explain how the valves /guides lasted . It also had a bypass Franz filter .

I read a build thread being done for someone by Ray Valero (RIP) a long time ago , he used to drill pushrods to make sprinklers , this also lubes the guides and cools the valve springs , it also adds oil temperature so an extra cooler would be in order if living in a hot country .
I think small things and a lot of attention to detail , like a tight even deck , balancing then very regular servicing , quality oil and as mentioned never run to hot or too cold .

That 1640 was removed , the case, crank ,cam and flywheel were reused and the heads rebuild , it is now used as a non spec engine in a Formula Vee for club type events , drags etc .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39PgoaCACVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-zi8YrQ5jU

The second clip shows the Vee , the number 1 car number means it was the State Champion the season before . The guy can really build a engine , Type 1 or 4 , horses for course and no prejudice , just the right engine for the application .

[spencerfvee]

[spencerfvee]

when i posted this forum . i made a mistake and did not say type 1 motor build later on i corrected my mistake . because i was only wanting type 1 motor builds .and i wanted feed back on type1 motor builds . why because there are all kinds of parts for the type 1 motor . the type 1 motor is like the small block chevy motor is to GM . the type1 motor the bread and butter motor . that brings in the money for VW parts Cos that sell air cooled type1 motor parts . and keeps air cooled vws a live . i never dreamed that when i posted this forum . i would upset the type 4 people . like i did . i asked them to stop high jacking my forum . it fell on deaf ears . they turned into bullies .and keep on posting how great type4 motors are .when no one wanted to here about there typ4 build . i could not be live how rude they were to me . and how rude they were to others that posted about how they would build a type1 motor . . i dont like getting into pissing contests . NO ONE WINS. when Evert B started the forums on the samba i think he wanted people that posted on forum .to get a long with each other . well i think Evert B would if he read my forum he would not be happy with the way the type4 people acted . the last thing i want is to have this forum locked down by the act of very small group of people that wanted to have there say on type 4 motor build . they acted like un wanted fools at a party . were every one at the party wanted them to leave . but they stayed any way and kept on making a fool of them selfs . spencerfvee my 1600cc dick landy super charged motor . that will go 300,000 miles joke

[jpaull]

This Thread is a great example of why we need our own sections:

This section, as "General Performance/Engines/Transmissions"

Then seperate sections for Type 1 and Type 4

"Type 1 Performance Engine/builds"
"Type 4 Performance Engine/builds"

A person should be able to post a thread about their engine questions and not be bombarded with people trying to get them to switch to a different engine. Way to many threads have been cut short by bully personalities that come into every thread and post essays that fillibuster the thread till its death, or others that are so self absorbed posting their same pictures over and over that they cant see when someone is saying politily to GTFO.
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Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth.

[vamram]

Spencerv, I hope you don't abandon the thread, I learn much from the relevant contributions. Hopefully the T4 aficionados have gotten the message and will allow you to continue sharing your T1 plans!
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