6V engine / starter in 12V transmission ??

[tristanblue]

So I have a `66 ghia vert that has (what I am told) the 12V option which was apparently available in ghias. The trans is set up for 12V with a 12V starter and bushing and large bell housing opening. The vehicle came with no engine. I am making a rat driver out of it.

I have a great running low mileage rebuilt 6V 1200 engine from a `65 beetle I would like to use in this car. Trying to figure out the easiest way to do the install. I was considering a couple options but had a couple questions.

-the engine has a 6V flywheel on 40hp 64mm crank. Can a later 12V flywheel be used on this engine and swap rest of engine bits to 12V?

-If I decided to go 6V and leave the engine alone, can I run a 6V starter in a 12V trans? This would be kind of a reverse what is usually done. I have seen a very thin bushing to convert but heard these get torn up quickly and can ruin the trans case. Does anyone make a 6V starter with a 12V size armature tip for smaller bushing in 12V cars? I heard at one time someone on the samba was selling 6V starters modded to fit into 12V transmissions. Anyone know who that was?

[Matthew]

If this is a long-term solution and you’re not planning to disassemble the engine, you can have a 12 volt ring gear put on the 40hp flywheel. I had rimco do one for a 36hp a few years ago and it turned out nice.
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[tristanblue]

Converting the 40hp to 12V looks like it would be too much of a hassle considering this engine is fully restored and already 6V. I think keeping it as-is 6V and modifying a 6V starter to work with the trans.

I know thing 12-6V bushing conversion does not really work well due to thickness of the 12V bell housing opening and then opening up the bushing hole. It usually breaks through the casting or if you use the super thin conversion bushing it just wears out in a few months and starts eating away the trans material. Seen that happen years back.

The guy solved the problem and purchased a rebuilt 6V starter here on from a Samba member who turned the tip if the armature down on a lathe and it fits right in the 12V starter bushing. Worked perfectly. Would like to find out who that was if they are still around and doing this, he doesn't remember.

I could possibly just take a starter apart myself and have a machine shop turn it down but always seems that ends up being a cluster f-ck

[Teeroy]

If installed corrcorrectly and greased, conversion bushing will not wear out any sooner than the stock set up
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[Teeroy]

I'm aware of how thin they are, ive been messing with these cars for over 40yrs, never had one fail. Not trying to cause an arguement, just trying to give you an easier solution to a custom/expensive starter or flywheel swap.
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[Matthew]

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[Erik G]

funny that you come here to ask, then diss someone suggesting something because of 3rd hand knowledge from your father. I agree, Never had a problem with one of those conversion bushings, I would even suggest a saxomat starter but whatever, sounds like you have the end all source of knowledge at your finger tips, no need to ask here

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[Chickensoup]

when you get your armature back check for these 3 things.

1. make sure the shop didnt get or leave swarf or oil residoo on the armature.

2. make sure they didnt chuck up the outside of the armuture bare and scuff it.

3. check to see how good the surface finish is and how well it fits into the bushing.
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[AirHead1966]

Why would anyone want to mess with bushings or turning the starter support shaft when you can buy an auto stick starter that does not have a support shaft and requires no bushing for $50 at Orielleys with a lifetime warranty?

There are hard ways of doing things and there are smart ways of doing things.

[Chickensoup]

hes using a 6v flywheel and no one makes a self supporting vw starter with the 6v gear.

if he had a 12v flywheel it would be a different story.

i actually just bought one of those for my car from O reillys.

the first one i bought was crap. complete mushy dog crap. the paint was flaking off, it came to me rusty, the two bolts holding the motor housing on were no joke loose and the threads came stripped.

so i took it in for exchange and what i got was GOLD. nice durable paint, NEW style selenoid, Torques fasteners all over the place(not flat heads), and it spins over real fast.

this is for the ultima brand. idk about the $180 bosch ones.
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[AirHead1966]

Ahhh, I stand corrected. Continue doing things hard way.

[EverettB]

Hybrid starter seller is this guy:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=Wayne+S.+Johnson
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