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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:37 pm    Post subject: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

I have a ’68 bug with two-three prong brake light switches. Help, by the numbers, which wire goes where?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

A 68 should have 2 2-prong switches, see wiring diagram.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bug_6869.jpg

you can still get 2 prong switches

https://www.jbugs.com/product/113945515H.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

Do you have a brake warning light on the dash? I found this diagram to be helpful, although you may need to chase the wire connections and proper terminals down, as well as get the rubber boots.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

thanks for the research. Got some OEM wire and a new main harness, working through the mess. Let you know what happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

The switch end of the wires uses those tiny female spade connectors, which can be a little fragile. I'd suggest testing the bulb before you get it all back together too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

The right switch will use .25 connectors not .110
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

Here is a good diagram showing the way the 3 prong brake switches are wired:

http://www.speedyjim.net/schem/2brake.gif

Solid black wire coming from fuse block splits and goes to 82a terminal on each brake switch, this provides power to each switch

Black wire w/ red stripe comes off each 81 terminal, they join together and go to the rear brake lights. When you press the brake pedal the hydraulic pressure closes the switches and current travels through the brake switch from 82a to 81 and goes to your rear brake lights lighting them up.

Solid red wire comes off each 81a terminal, they join together and go up to your brake warning light on the dash. If one of your brake circuits fail, the current travels through the GOOD switch but then instead of going to your rear brake lights, it goes up to the brake warning light on the dash instead.

Here is another diagram of how the system works (upper left graphic shows the way the current travels when one of the circuits fails):

http://www.speedyjim.net/schem/3brake.gif

P.S. Being a 68 your dash brake warning light should only have 3 terminals, the one pictured above with 5 terminals is for a later model where that light also functions as a parking brake light.

I am unsure what some of those wires in your photo above are- some of them do not match the factory wiring colors.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Three prong brake wire help Reply with quote

Michael Ambrozik wrote:
A 68 should have 2 2-prong switches, see wiring diagram.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/wiring/bug_6869.jpg

you can still get 2 prong switches

https://www.jbugs.com/product/113945515H.html


Starting in 1970, VW realized that they did not have to use three 2-prong switches as they had been doing (two pressure switches and a third switch for the dash warning light.) They could get away with just using two 3-prong switches, and wiring them so that they still activated the dash warning light when one circuit failed (see diagram I linked above.)
So they began manufacturing master cylinders with provisions for only the two 3-prong switches, eliminating the third threaded hole for the third dash warning light switch, and aftermarket manufacturers followed suit.
If the master cylinder has been replaced pretty much anytime in the last few decades, it is probably the newer style two-switch thereby necessitating the use of the two 3-prong switches.
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