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ELFRIED
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 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:50 am Post subject: Windshield |
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Hi,
I'm gonna start putting my windshield in.
I bought new rubbers but now I found out there are 2 kinds.One for the t strips and one for the c strips.
I have a 63 and have the c strips.
Can anyone tell from picture 1 if I have the correct rubber.
I've been looking some videos but I'm still not sure where the window goes in?Is it the opening on picture2?
It seems it 's gonna be a tough one...
Thanks
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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That side of the rubber seal goes into the window frame. The thicker side on the left of picture 2 goes to the outside of the frame, it will spread out around the windshield frame, the smaller side will slip over and attach to the inside of the windshield frame.
On the other side of the rubber seal it should have a single deep channel where it fits onto the windshield. I just did this to mine over the weekend and it was kind of confusing at first. It helps if you can set it in the sun before installing it onto the glass as it will be very tight when stretching over that last corner.
Can't help you with the window chrome as I have Cal look solid seal.
Hope this helps,
Jeff
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Thanks a lot Jeff,
Clear to me now but it is indeed confusing if you look at the seal.I managed to get the seal around the glass,I put the seal in warm water before which I think helped.
Pain in my hands though...
Tomorrow next step.Putting the windshield in the car and hopefully I have the good seal. |
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Happy to help. Let us know how the windshield goes in. Some have a lot of difficulty and others have no problems.
Jeff
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Marcdeb
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Thanks for the links Marc.They sure will be a great help.
I installed the rubbers on the windows so far.First was a pain, second went a lot easier.
I'll now have to cut the headliner in the wright shape before trying to push the windows in .... |
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Well we finally made a try to get the windshield in.Wife pulling the cable me pushing as hell sitting in the trunk and yes first attempt window is in ,but ...look at the pictures.
The inner lip is seated well but somehow the window is not fully in the opening,it seems to be too big!!!The outer lip is standing upward and you can push the window rather easy out.
This is impossible while it is the window that was in the car when I bought it.
i tried nearly everything to push it in but noway,I was also scared to break it...
Finally I removed the window again.So here I am,I read a lot here on the samba about the windshield but this problem I didn't see coming by.
Anyone an idea?
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Trylon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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I believe there are two size windshields.
It turns out that the one I had replaced in my ‘59 was too small— the new larger one seemed tight at first but the installer agreed that, when it was in, it was the right one.
He did trim it before putting it in:
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rbsurfguy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Is it possible you have the rubber backwards? That is, the side you now have outside, should be the other way? It looks like the side you have out is the smaller side which goes inside and the larger 'lip' seals around the outside.
Jeff
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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| rbsurfguy wrote: |
Is it possible you have the rubber backwards? That is, the side you now have outside, should be the other way? It looks like the side you have out is the smaller side which goes inside and the larger 'lip' seals around the outside.
Jeff |
I 2nd what Jeff said. I think the seal looks reversed if that's even possible. Once you have it out again, try to insert a short section of the seal by itself onto the opening to see if it looks normal. Then try to flip it over and try the same thing. You should be able to visualize how it all goes together? Close-up pictures of the seal around the windshield before putting it on the car would be helpful.
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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ehhhh....I don't think this is possible ,I have the opening for the c type trim at the outside .
I have it out again and I'm gonna try to put the trim in first but then again it can only be more difficult to put it in I guess.
Still strange ,everything looked good I really can't say what I did wrong,that's what bothers me. |
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Your pictures seem to show that the windshield is much higher than the opening, as if suspended over the opening rather than down "in" the opening. Any chance you have the wrong seal?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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how does the other side look?
For some reason my mind wants to think that it read somewhere that the windshield opening was the same and the rubber made up the difference in fitting for the 2 windshield sizes. So if the "T" trim rubber with "C" trim windshield it would be too big and "C" trim rubber with "T" trim windshield would fit loose. Or vice versa.
But my mind is not what it used to. |
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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how does the other side look?
For some reason my mind wants to think that it read somewhere that the windshield opening was the same and the rubber made up the difference in fitting for the 2 windshield sizes. So if the "T" trim rubber with "C" trim windshield it would be too big and "C" trim rubber with "T" trim windshield would fit loose. Or vice versa.
But my mind is not what it used to. |
The C channel rubber wont take a T style trim in the groove.
The T style rubber wont take a C style trim in the groove.
If you put the trim in you will know if its the right or wrong rubber seal. |
I think he means, simplified, an early windshield with late rubber and trim would be too tight, and a late windshield with early rubber and trim would be too loose. I don't think he's saying to fit late trim in early rubber, etc.
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Thanks for the info ,let's hope I got the good rubbers.Well I got yesterday the rear window in without trouble.
Still in one angle I got the same thing that the outer lip is not on the window but a bit uprising but at a whole it's not a bad fit.
So I think I should be able to do this the same at front(assuming the rubber is the good one) though I still don't know what I did else...
Only I may not think how on earth I'm gonna get that c trim in ,the opening for the trim is so much pressed that I hardly can open it....
Restaurating a Ghia is not the simpelest thing,frankly said. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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| ELFRIED wrote: |
Thanks for the info ,let's hope I got the good rubbers.Well I got yesterday the rear window in without trouble.
Still in one angle I got the same thing that the outer lip is not on the window but a bit uprising but at a whole it's not a bad fit.
So I think I should be able to do this the same at front(assuming the rubber is the good one) though I still don't know what I did else...
Only I may not think how on earth I'm gonna get that c trim in ,the opening for the trim is so much pressed that I hardly can open it....
Restaurating a Ghia is not the simpelest thing,frankly said. |
I used a tool for installing the wire in the windshield rubber, in this case where the C channel goes. I then pulled the wire a little to open the seal and started the trim in.
The most important thing is that the trim fits perfectly to the contours of the seal otherwise it will buck out. It’s the worst job…
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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Well after 3 attempts I'm sure I have the wrong rubber seal.I have the early style windshield(17,3 inch,-44cm) and I have a c trim seal.Can someone affirm this?
If this is so it should normally fit but it doesn't.No way to get windshield and seal in the opening simply too big .this even without trim.
Pity I don't have the old seal to compare...
But what now? Order another seal? They only seem to be with the t trim here in Europe.
Buy the smaller windshield?
I'm a bit lost here.... |
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ELFRIED
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| Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield |
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So I ordered a new windshield rubber with the c trim opening.
was a bit confusing ,nobody seems to know exactly what is what here.
But I was lucky ,I got the new rubber ,took me 10 minutes to get it round the windshield and together with my wife we put it in in about 5 minutes.
No soapwater,glycerine,ot whatever.Just pulling the wire and some-even not a lot- pressing did the job.You have to position the window good before you begin though.
conclusion it's not a bad job if you have the wright combination window rubber trim.
off course the c trim is still waiting for me,but that's another story to come.
greetings and thanks everyone. |
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