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kylewadescott Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2021 Posts: 55 Location: MD
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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I am completely new to restoring bugs. I'm thinking of lowering my bug a couple inches. I like the way a lowered bug looks, but I don't want to be scraping the road and speed bumps all the time.
First question, what's the lowest I can go without scraping?
Second question, what size tires do you recommend?
I have read some people suggest 145/60r15 up front and 165/60r15 in the back, but I have also seen 145/60r15 for the front and 205/60r15 for the back.
I think this looks great, maybe just slightly lower would be perfect.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/922580.jpg
Any help is appreciated guys and gals. |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17970 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Those whitewall tires look like stock 165X80X15.
I lowered my square 2" in front & 1" in the back.
185X60 & 205X70 just clear with no rubbing/dragging!
I'm 3.5" to my beam w/1.5" forward rake. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:06 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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The 145/60 and 165/60 will look tiny and lost on mildly lowered bug. I’ve had my eye on 175/65r15’s to replace my 145r15. I have the 185/60 and 195/65 front rear combo on another bug.
Where in MD are you? _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
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kylewadescott Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2021 Posts: 55 Location: MD
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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@NJ John
I am near Annapolis. For the bug with 185/60 and 195/65, how low is it, and do you have issues with rubbing with such wide tires in the front?
@Mike Fisher
I will have to look up what that stuff means. I'm sure it will help when I know the lingo.
So I have a follow up question. If I lower it 2-3 inches, will I be able to just use stock without rubbing? I really want white wall tires so Im not sure if that also limits my choices. When I get home from work I will try to post a couple more pictures for the look im going for. Thats probably easier. |
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kylewadescott Samba Member
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kylewadescott Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:19 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Thanks! |
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NJ John Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2222 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:01 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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My 185/60 don’t rub in the front. It just has an adjustable beam.
What method of lowering do you plan on going with? Also, a narrowed beam?
My yellow bug in my galler has a 3” narrow adjustable beam, lowered spindles and a turned a spline in the rear. 145r15 and 205/60r15 tires.
What year bug do you have?
_________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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kylewadescott Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:51 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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NJ John wrote: |
My 185/60 don’t rub in the front. It just has an adjustable beam.
What method of lowering do you plan on going with? Also, a narrowed beam?
My yellow bug in my galler has a 3” narrow adjustable beam, lowered spindles and a turned a spline in the rear. 145r15 and 205/60r15 tires.
What year bug do you have?
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66 bug. Im not sure which lowering method is best. Im trying to lower it as much as possible without hitting/scraping speed bumps and without rubbing during turns. Im completely new to this, so whichever method is best to achieve that is what I will do. I would like to also still keep the car safe. My buddy is telling my 145 tires are skinnier than donut spare tires, so that kinda scares me. However, it sound like tons of people have 145 tires and they are just fine. Another gentlemen posted a nice link to a thread above and I am combing through it, but there is so much info its kinda overwhelming. I gotta learn all these different terms! I appreciate everyone's responses though! |
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NJ John Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Yeah people like to gripe on the 135r15 and 145r15. Different than the 145/65r15 tires from smart cars. My yellow bug has the 145r15’s on it. I haven’t had any issues. I think it handles well. But I drive a Tahoe regularly. They say the skinny tires grab grooves in the road and hamper braking. I’m serious, google the 175/65r15 size. I’m eventually switching, because it’s supposed to be the same height as my current front tires, but wider.
The easiest thing to do is just throw lowered spindle on the front. Pick some tires sizes and see if you feel like turning some splines in the rear. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
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kylewadescott Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Do you recommend just getting some cheap tires till i find a size that I like and then put on the white walls after?
I found some images in the thread with what they did that I really like
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/403312.gif
Front: 4 inch narrowed adjustable with towers 2.5 inch dropped spindles 145's
Rear: One outer notch 165 15
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/427390.jpg
Adjustable 2" narrowed CB beam, stock spindles,145's in front,and 165's the the back.
I think its one Inner and one outer click in the back
what do you think of those? |
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NJ John Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:16 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Both classic cal look tire sizes. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:45 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Wheels/Tires/Stance is our individual engineering projects with no two alike!
We can't tell if what you end up doing will rub.
My lowered square doesn't rub/drag with it's Stock Beam
Put the drop spindles on & see what you have then.
I buy good pairs used tires Cheap that rich guys take off with lots of tread left on them.
Used 185X60 Firestone & 205X70 Michelin _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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RandyV Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2019 Posts: 357 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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What about “feel”. 30 years removed from my last we all ran 135/165 back in the day. (Til the 135 shortage then some ran temps…yikes)
Anyway….I never did run 145’s and am wondering if anybody can speak from experience 145’s vs 135’s seat of the pants?? (In my car it’ll be on 5.5” wide 5 spokes)
And I’m guessing the truth holds that the old round 135/145’s should be more comfortable than their (say 155/60-15) counterparts?) |
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petrol punk Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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I have 175/55r15 front and 195/60r15 rear on a bug that is about stock height rear, and a stock width beam with stock spindles and slightly lowered in the front. Imo they are a little on the small size, especially the front tires. I have a huge fender gap and yet the tires are so small I have hardly any ground clearance. If I were to do it again I'd go with a 195/55r15 front and 205/65r15 rear to close up the fender gap and still have decent ground clearance as well as get closer to stock gearing. _________________ 36hp '56 European DeLuxe oval, '70 bug 1835cc dual 36DRLA, and a '98 4x4 5spd single cab Tacoma |
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RandyV Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Thank you Petrol,
Based on a lot of things, including what you just said….I’m leaning VERY heavily toward…… 175/65-15.
165/65-15 could work too it’s little too close to a 135’s sidewalk height and if I can get even just a *little* more cushion I think I’ll take it and I think 186/65-15 will get me there based on some local opinions too!!!
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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RandyV wrote: |
Thank you Petrol,
Based on a lot of things, including what you just said….I’m leaning VERY heavily toward…… 175/65-15.
165/65-15 could work too it’s little too close to a 135’s sidewalk height and if I can get even just a *little* more cushion I think I’ll take it and I think 186/65-15 will get me there based on some local opinions too!!!
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on a lowered 66 bug I found the 175/65-15 just a bit too big both wide and tall. On stock wheels (4 inch wide). I also felt like the steering wasn't as good
On my type 34 I used the 165/65-15 and it was perfect on a stock wheel to match the 165/80-15's on the rear. great set up
I've run the small 135's and 145's, the 165/45's on a bus, etc. I don't like them |
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RandyV Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2019 Posts: 357 Location: So Cal
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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Hmmmm….I must admit the guy who I know that’s actually riding on them right now is on BRM’s which I believe are 5.5 wide so maybe that makes a difference.
Any pics you might have of both setups? |
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jbbugs Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:10 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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I’ve never been a fan of running 135,s or 145’s . There’s just not enough contact patch on the road. A panic stop on a wet road can cause some damage pretty quick. I used to run 195/50-15’s up front. _________________ Drag bus! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MOVmKdhX4
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Glenn Mr. 010
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:38 am Post subject: Re: what size tire is best for midly lowered bug? |
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jbbugs wrote: |
I’ve never been a fan of running 135,s or 145’s . There’s just not enough contact patch on the road. A panic stop on a wet road can cause some damage pretty quick. I used to run 195/50-15’s up front. |
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