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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
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Don’t know why I didn’t think of this — exact same routine to get the robot up and running.

Collaboration and peer review is kinda basic to most engineering endeavour. Team effort.

Nicholas


Huh, I never thought of those techniques beyond my silo.
Thanks for the insight!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Removed paint from our new fan shroud:

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Using Rome’s technique with filler primer, after tapping down a couple of high points, to fill in a few valleys.

It seems we finally have a headlight switch with a working dimmer, people!


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I don’t recall if I have tested its other features yet though….
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Lube, heat, malleting, in!

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Will trim seal later.

Time to run the rear wires.

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Need new seals for license light housing and rear taillights.
Some better than others to order?

And now for something extra special:

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Yep, they are pop-riveted in. Feels like I am dealing with a flipper on every turn doesn’t it?
So drill them out, clean up the threads, and look for screws that fit?
Or are they just wrong and I need these:

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At least the wiring was neat and professional:

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As I have refuted before, rewiring is not just about wires.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Drill out the rivets, find a screw/bolt and nut to match, like the lower one. Don't waste money on another set of tail lights when all you need to do is replace the rivet, you would still need to take the rivet out. If they worked before, taking a rivet out won't make them not work.

Wiring definitely sucks, but when you finally get it completed, you will truly feel a sense of accomplishment, trust me.

You definitely got screwed by the PO or should I say POS, but you are not alone. Fix what you can, keep driving on. All the work you did will let you know YOU did it right and will intimately know every piece of that Ghia, that's the payoff.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Fun pep talk Jeff!
But don’t misread me— I don’t need it. Having the time of my life working on our car.
Just wondering if the housings are original or something off, say, a Messerschmit KR200. Happy to keep them if they belong.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Fun pep talk Jeff!
But don’t misread me— I don’t need it. Having the time of my life working on our car.
Just wondering if the housings are original or something off, say, a Messerschmit KR200. Happy to keep them if they belong.



Loren posted these, 56-57, 58 and 59

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Here are three different types of low light Ghia rear bulb holders. The one on the left is for a 56-57 Ghia, the one in the middle is for a 58 Ghia and the far right bulb holder is for a 59 Ghia.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Eye-opening!

Clearly ours are odd.
Looks like the oldest with something grafted on.
And a bunch of unused stuff bent out of the way out the back.

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Clearly for different bulbs — 6volt?



So, on the hunt for correct housings. Until then, they will stay as they are and I will wire them up the best I can for now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Agree yours look early and in pretty good condition too. Looks like they originally used the festoon bulbs and then someone "fixed" yours to use regular 6 volt bulbs.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

c21darrel wrote:
then someone "fixed" yours


… and sucked all the value out of them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Or maybe keep ‘em and bring them back to festoon bulbs?
I love the concept but why do I think someone is going to say something like “why not just use birthday cake candles if you are looking for dim light to die by”?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Then again, I won’t be able to recreate this photo with the current housings:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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I'm certainly impressed with your dedication to traditional VW values, there are only a few of us left. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Is that what I am doing?
I dunno, but whatever it is, I am compelled to do it.
Seems to be one of the main symptoms of Karmann Ghia Fever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Wow! Pop rivets! I don't know if that's being lazy? Stupid? MacGyverish? Getting rid of them will at least save your reputation so no one ever thinks that you did that!!

You're really doing a great job of straightening out this car.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Wow! Pop rivets! I don't know if that's being lazy? Stupid? MacGyverish? Getting rid of them will at least save your reputation so no one ever thinks that you did that!!

You're really doing a great job of straightening out this car.


Thanks Marc— ain’t we got fun?

Pop rivets will be gone eventually. Trying to keep things under control and GET THE CAR IN THE LIME ROCK PARK THIS YEAR!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Wow! Pop rivets! I don't know if that's being lazy? Stupid? MacGyverish? Getting rid of them will at least save your reputation so no one ever thinks that you did that!!



As someone who is also trying to undo an epic piece of pop rivet fuckery, I can assure you that “MacGuyver-ish” ain’t a worthy description. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

Unfortunately you are missing the bracket to install the correct 58-59 rear bulb holders Sad There should be a bracket spot welded to each side inside the fender that the bulb holders are bolted to. I would stick with what you have. In order to install the correct holders you would have to find the brackets and have them welded in. Maybe something to consider further down the road, but for now make them work so you can enjoy driving your Ghia.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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Unfortunately you are missing the bracket to install the correct 58-59 rear bulb holders Sad There should be a bracket spot welded to each side inside the fender that the bulb holders are bolted to. I would stick with what you have. In order to install the correct holders you would have to find the brackets and have them welded in. Maybe something to consider further down the road, but for now make them work so you can enjoy driving your Ghia.


Huh, bummer.

But it does sound like a good first welding job! Isn’t there a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Welder, Jr (TM) that might be suitable for me?

But, yes, let’s move on and look forward to that fun in the winter. Will keep eyes peeled for correct housing though…

Thanks again Loren for sharing your knowledge with this knoobie!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

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But it does sound like a good first welding job! Isn’t there a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Welder, Jr (TM) that might be suitable for me?



Negatory! Thin metal is never a good place to try starting your welding experience, especially expensive, rare parts/cars.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: '59 Karmann Ghia fever Reply with quote

TDCTDI wrote:
Trylon wrote:

But it does sound like a good first welding job! Isn’t there a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Welder, Jr (TM) that might be suitable for me?



Negatory! Thin metal is never a good place to try starting your welding experience, especially expensive, rare parts/cars.


Didn’t you say you were thinking of moving up north for the winter TD?
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