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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:22 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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No I think that T is the T I am currently struggling with...
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:30 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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The item labeled "boost" is the proportioning valve _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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epowell Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2015 Posts: 4733 Location: Czech (mostly) Vancouver (sometimes)
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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I also noticed that going to the front calipers on the diagram it is a rubber hose right to the caliper, whereas on my van the rubber hose goes to a very very short little end piece of metal pipe... are some people now bypassing this little end-piece of metal pipe, or is it just omitted from this diagram because it's so short? _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:37 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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It's unlikely they're leaving those short sections out on the stock brakes. It was just an oversight on behalf of the person who made the diagram. I might be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure both types of brakes found on the T3 use those short tubing sections right at the front calipers. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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epowell Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2015 Posts: 4733 Location: Czech (mostly) Vancouver (sometimes)
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:36 am Post subject: Re: Brake line diagram |
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I went under the van and checked my lines... everything seems "as per diagram" except I didn't notice any "UNION" near the rear for the rear line, is this UNION necessary for anything?
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:32 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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It's probably there just to break up a very long run of tubing, though if you can find 100" lengths, I'm not sure there would be any issues with omitting the union adapter. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
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epowell Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2015 Posts: 4733 Location: Czech (mostly) Vancouver (sometimes)
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:58 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
It's probably there just to break up a very long run of tubing, though if you can find 100" lengths, I'm not sure there would be any issues with omitting the union adapter. |
Yeah, it's not there... I can get 10meter lengths so it's not problem. _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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Timwhy Samba Member
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:15 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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Timwhy wrote: |
Did anyone ever save the diagram as the link is now dead?
If you have it can you please post it?
Thanks,
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Timwhy Samba Member
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:20 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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Here is that original diagram, but I am skeptical regarding the accuracy of the lengths listed --- can anyone confirm the TRUE LENGTHS.
At the beginning of this thread 2 separate posters posted very different LENGTHS. Can anyone confirm which is correct?
This is what was posted:
60 inches (X3) about 10$ each (pre-flared with connectors)
40 inches (x1) about 7$
30 inches (x2) about 7$
20 inches (x2) about 6$
12 inches (x2) at about 5$
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1. Master cylinder to front tee 1850mm (72.8 inches)
2. Master cylinder to rear brake pressure reducer 2130mm (83.8 inches)
3. Front tee to left brake hose 140mm (5.5 inches)
4. Left front brake hose to left front caliper 350mm (13.8inches)
5. Front tee to right front brake hose 950mm (37.4 inches)
6. Right front brake hose to right front caliper 350mm(13.8inches)
7. Brake pressure reducer to rear tee 2900mm (114.2inches)
8. Rear tee to left rear brake hose 623mm (24.5inches)
9.Rear tee to right rear brake hose 285mm (11.2 inches)
10.Left rear brake hose to left rear wheel cylinder 550mm (21.6 inches)
11.Right rear brake hose to right rear wheel cyl. 550mm (21.6 inches)
1980 thru 85 shows;
3. Front tee to LF hose 500mm
4. LF hose to caliper 120mm, while RF shows as 1100mm! (wrong, both are identical @120mm!)
Which measurements are the correct ones.... I will go out and measure some on my own van but until then please respond, anyone who KNOWS off hand, thanks.
Ed
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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I dunno if the 2wd are different, but for the Syncro I added 4" of length to each front hard line coming off the junction T. This way when connection to the rubber hose is unbolted from the chassis, there is enough space to move it away from the chassis and space for wrenches.
I ordered one 25' roll of line and that was enough to do the van. However I did not replace the booster to the front junction as that line was in great shape. If you're making lines, I wouldn't be cutting both sides at once. Build it like plumbing, in one direction only! _________________ '87 Syncro
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
I dunno if the 2wd are different, but for the Syncro I added 4" of length to each front hard line coming off the junction T. This way when connection to the rubber hose is unbolted from the chassis, there is enough space to move it away from the chassis and space for wrenches.
I ordered one 25' roll of line and that was enough to do the van. However I did not replace the booster to the front junction as that line was in great shape. If you're making lines, I wouldn't be cutting both sides at once. Build it like plumbing, in one direction only! |
Previously I did pretty well with having pieces (both ends cut) made up for me cheaply at the local garage.... BUT I could remove from my van the exact (rusted) piece that needed replacing - so this worked fine.
But I am in Europe now, and planning to replace the brake lines on my other van which is in Canada. I was hoping to get the correct measurements then have the pieces made here in Czech, then bring them to Canada >>> cheaper and easier that way (the garage makes them fast and insanely cheap).
But from what you say it sounds like that might not work so well??? Are not all vans basically laid out the same? _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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Thanks Mark.
But the problem is this is for my Vancouver van, and I don't think it is cheap to get the rigid pipe set there.... locally, or online after shipping and Duty. _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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I was suggesting you could buy an affordable complete set in Europe to bring with you.
As opposed to having lines made to bring with you.
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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crazyvwvanman wrote: |
I was suggesting you could buy an affordable complete set in Europe to bring with you.
As opposed to having lines made to bring with you.
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aha! ....might even be cheaper than that to have them made locally. But that link you sent is very reasonable - thanks! _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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epowell Samba Member
Joined: September 23, 2015 Posts: 4733 Location: Czech (mostly) Vancouver (sometimes)
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:49 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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I have decided to buy a coil of hard line --- and a flaring tool --- and all the fittings.... and bring them with me to Canada.
My parts guy says that a 10meter coil of COPPER pipe costs about $20USD. That seems a lot cheaper than Vancouver NAPA prices.
From my calculations it seems to me that to replace all BRAKE and CLUTCH lines, for one van, it will require just under 15 meters. Does this sound correct?
Can anyone tell me the size/guage/type of hard line to buy. He recommended COPPER (metal is available) - and said that in Europe the use of COPPER is prohibited. [in B.C. there are no vehicle technical controls so nobody would notice] I suppose COPPER is much more resistant to rust. _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4771 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:10 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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epowell wrote: |
I have decided to buy a coil of hard line --- and a flaring tool --- and all the fittings.... and bring them with me to Canada.
My parts guy says that a 10meter coil of COPPER pipe costs about $20USD. That seems a lot cheaper than Vancouver NAPA prices.
From my calculations it seems to me that to replace all BRAKE and CLUTCH lines, for one van, it will require just under 15 meters. Does this sound correct?
Can anyone tell me the size/guage/type of hard line to buy. He recommended COPPER (metal is available) - and said that in Europe the use of COPPER is prohibited. [in B.C. there are no vehicle technical controls so nobody would notice] I suppose COPPER is much more resistant to rust. |
just to be correct, because the difference is life or death, the stuff you want is Copper-Nickel, or cunifer. plain COPPER e.g. refrigeration/water line is absolutely the wrong thing to use as it can rupture under brake pressure. _________________ -dan
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epowell Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:20 am Post subject: Re: brake line diagram? |
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aha.... I'll confirm this, thanks! _________________ www.edwardpowell.com |
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