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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:32 pm Post subject: Shortening stock pushrods |
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A while back I asked here if the stock pushrods could be shortened by machining a bit off and just driving the end in deeper. I got a lot of answers but nothing to really sink my teeth into. Mostly "buy this and buy that" and some "you need to know what you are doing" answers.
Well I just completed the learning curve and have an answer for future "do it your selfers" like me. The answer is yes.
I just trimmed off the amount I needed in my lathe, put the pushrod between two old lifters so as to not flatten the ends drove them home. My first attempt resulted in a bent pushrod, it takes a pretty good smack to get the tips to move! I then cut a piece of 1/2" tube to slip over the outside of the pushrods to stiffen them up and voila! No more bent ones!
The top tube is my stiffener sleeve, the next 3 are shortened and ready to drive the ends home and the last one is the finished pushrod. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9756 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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This is the way I understood how to shorten stock aluminum PR's.
Did you just machine off the amount that you needed to shorten them and drive the tips home?
Or did you remove the tips completely and reinstall them?
These are just questions for understanding the procedure. I don't have a lathe here. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Yes that was part of my original question. I should have stated that. No I did not remove the tips, just trimmed off what I needed to and drove them in further. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1218 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Heat the end a little , expands the alloy more than the steel end . It helps . |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Yes it would, good idea! _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9641 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Good going, oprn. Once I finally get some motivation to continue on my 1776 top-end redo, I'll be shortening the stock pushrods also. Using an adjustable PR I determined I need to shorten them 4 mm. I used a fine-blade hacksaw on an otherwise junk PR to cut through the end manually to test this method, which is shown in the "How to hotrod your VW engine" book. For the 8 PR on the 1776 engine, my plan is to use a thin abrasive cut-off wheel on my stronger Dremel, rest the tool on a wooden fixture, put the PR on another wooden block so that it is parallel to the fixture base and at right angle to the cut-off wheel, and rotate the PR by hand. Cut a few bands off the PR the thickness of the cut-off wheel to reach the 4 mm distance. Hack yes, but it should work. I don't have access to a lathe. |
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QRP Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2008 Posts: 1710 Location: NORTH HOLLYWOOD,CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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You could probably press the tip in using the tail stock with a chunk of aluminum rod in the chuck.
Do it right after trimming so it will at least be a little warm. |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Did a set recently for a 36hp guy using AA lifters: I prefer to remove the ends, drill for a less extreme interference fit, and reinstall. No reason for the ends to bulge from the press-fit.
_________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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The ends on mine didn't bulge. Not sure why they would as that is the factory interference fit and the factory ones didn't bulge either. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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bugguy1967 Samba Member
Joined: January 16, 2008 Posts: 4341 Location: Los Angeles, CA 90016
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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oprn wrote: |
The ends on mine didn't bulge. Not sure why they would as that is the factory interference fit and the factory ones didn't bulge either. |
I mean the end of the aluminum where it mates to the steel end. You can see the nearside one in my pic. The diameter enlarges a few thousandths where the shaft presses in. _________________ "A petrol engine can start readily, run smoothly and give every appearance of being in good order, without necessarily being in good tune." - Colin Campbell, "The Sportscar Engine" |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 3561 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Would it be any more work to machine that amount off the tip? or half off both tips? Not trying to be that guy that says "your doing it wrong" just a question nothing else. |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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Sure would, the tips are hardened steel. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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oprn Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 12709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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bugguy1967 wrote: |
oprn wrote: |
The ends on mine didn't bulge. Not sure why they would as that is the factory interference fit and the factory ones didn't bulge either. |
I mean the end of the aluminum where it mates to the steel end. You can see the nearside one in my pic. The diameter enlarges a few thousandths where the shaft presses in. |
You are correct, I measured 1/2 thou bulge on both my end and the factory one. Good eye! _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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slalombuggy Samba Member
Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9145 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Shortening stock pushrods |
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I have 3 summers of driving on the ones I shortened for my 1904. I don't have a lathe so I tapped around the pushrod with a ballpien hammer to relieve the press fit, pulled the ends out and used a tubing cutter to remove most of the material and a file to finish. |
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