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Who.Me?
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What was the key code on the base?
If you don't want to post the entire code I understand, mostly wondering if it was a Bus key code like Z/E/F and not Bug like SG/SC |
The code is in the E,Z,D,V,F profile range. Wolfsburg West describes those as all being the same profile, used on buses between 1950 and 1963.
Eric - The truck is in a single garage and not mobile right now, so I can't get to the locker/treasure chest. It should be running again after Christmas. Have you seen the key code stamped on one of those locks?
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EverettB
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| EverettB wrote: |
What was the key code on the base?
If you don't want to post the entire code I understand, mostly wondering if it was a Bus key code like Z/E/F and not Bug like SG/SC |
The code is in the E,Z,D,V,F profile range. Wolfsburg West describes those as all being the same profile, used on buses between 1950 and 1963. |
It's 54-63 as 53-down are a different key shape/size but Yes.
Now that I think about it, that makes sense as you probably have to use the Bus handle base, which is where the key code is stamped.
The actual pull out part has no stamping and can be swapped over.
Side note: I've seen the wrong handles on front flat doors (pre-early 61) and indented doors (61-mid-63) and the same thing was true - The handle worked, you just had to swap some parts as the bases and hooks changed between those 2 doors.
You said you have to pull out the handle to get the key to turn - I think that might be another issue internal to the handle or cylinder itself. Something is worn out or bent or damaged inside.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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Thanks Eric. I was looking for a thread along those lines a couple of weeks ago. Wanted to know if the barrel could be removed.
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Now that I think about it, that makes sense as you probably have to use the Bus handle base, which is where the key code is stamped.
The actual pull out part has no stamping and can be swapped over.
Side note: I've seen the wrong handles on front flat doors (pre-early 61) and indented doors (61-mid-63) and the same thing was true - The handle worked, you just had to swap some parts as the bases and hooks changed between those 2 doors.
You said you have to pull out the handle to get the key to turn - I think that might be another issue internal to the handle or cylinder itself. Something is worn out or bent or damaged inside. |
OK, sounds like the handle is a mongrel. There's no point getting hung up over whether the handle for the other side matches exactly. I won't be throwing any parts away so a future owner can put it back as it was, if they wish.
Thanks both
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Jacco Verveer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:50 am Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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there is very little difference but a 52-55 bug one will stick out more
you can see it in the picture the handle is closer to the base
bug on top bus bottum
bases i have seen both styles on bus and bug |
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67Kombibus
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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I see posts on every other door mechanism but the one I'm trying to figure out.
Has anyone had experience with removing the spring mechanism inside the front doors at the bottom? The one that squeezes the rectangular rod to hold the door open. I currently have the door skin off so it is accessible. |
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67Kombibus
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| Thanks, easy e! That is more than I found on my own. I was thinking of removing the whole mechanism from the door and cleaning it up before I put the new skin on. I have the check rod out and cleaned. |
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rustednuggs
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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Great reads...I am struggling to know if a 61 bus door would fit a 61 bus? (Front doors?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| rustednuggs wrote: |
| Great reads...I am struggling to know if a 61 bus door would fit a 61 bus? (Front doors? |
Front doors:
It depends on the door whether it will be "correct".
The door will physically bolt up and work but the front doors changed to having the sunken recess around the door handle in 12/1960 (early 1961 model year) around VIN # 705xxx
So it depends if you need to be "correct" or not for a particular Bus.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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Thank you for the reply. Ill probably get the doors, and then get the right door handles...
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| Quick question, I have a new set of keyed handles (Wolfsburgwest) for my 64 double cab, ice pick style, which are beautiful, but I’ve just realized they don’t fit as mine should have the push button style 🙁 My question is, if I purchased the correct door mechanism to match the handles, can I modify the door to make them fit? |
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| Quick question, I have a new set of keyed handles (Wolfsburgwest) for my 64 double cab, ice pick style, which are beautiful, but I’ve just realized they don’t fit as mine should have the push button style 🙁 My question is, if I purchased the correct door mechanism to match the handles, can I modify the door to make them fit? |
If you have to ask, then almost certainly no. You would have to cut up two sets of doors and do a lot of welding.
Lot easier to get two earlier doors instead. Then you would need the special early 1964 striker plates.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| Thanks for the reply, I guess I have no choice but to use the push button handles. |
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Ferran VW
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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Hi,
What's the difference between these 2 style hook/stricker arm handles ?
Both 55-60 bus handle, with the same part number.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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Same manufacture??
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Yes, same manufacture (BUM)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Front door handles, recesses, and mechanisms |
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| Ferran VW wrote: |
Hi,
What's the difference between these 2 style hook/stricker arm handles ?
Both 55-60 bus handle, with the same part number.
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Is it possible that your mystery is related to a mystery I wondered about here?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=750335
Notice that on page 30, 211 837 205 has a shorter striker than 211 837 205 B. |
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