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Forthwithtx Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Searched around a bit for something like this, but all I generally found were arguments about this grease or that grease or how the spacer works, etc. So, I decided to document my rear hub bearing repack in case somebody needs to do this:.
No Zirc fittings. Nothing Special. I may even have done it wrong.
This is the full guidance from the Bentley (half of the page is seal and bearing removal):
This is the grease I used:
The parts:
The clean hub, ready for packing:
Lightly grease (or sloppy - up to you) the inner race. Note: Bearings do not have an inner or outer side. They can't be put in backwards:
I like doing this the old fashioned way...Gitcha a glob of grease:
And thoroughly work it into the bearing:
Place the inner bearing into the inner race:
You can press the bearing in or tap it in, but the bearing must be pressed from the outer edges, not the center or against the cages or needles:
Clean up grease in case (or in my case) a little bit of the brass sheared off the edge of the brass puck I used. Don't want any metal in the grease:
Install the circlip:
Place the spacer (to the right)...
...into the hub...
...and completely fill the space between the hub and the spacer:
Work out air if you can:
Leave some grease in there to bed the outer bearing into:
The outer bearing comes in two pieces (or at least the old and new ones did in my case):
Pack the outer bearing with grease. By this time, you may be tired of swapping gloves, as I was:
Place the bearing in the outer race:
In this case, the height of the assembly was too much for my itty-bitty press, so I did it the old-fashioned way:
I cleaned up again (just in case) and to inspect the depth of the installation (no measurement):
Put some grease down for the outer grease seal to bed into and back-fill the seal:
Grease the edge of the outer grease seal and press into place to flush:
Press the squeeze out into the cavity formed by the outer bearing and the outer seal:
Flip over and repeat:
I hope this is helpful! _________________ Cheers!
-Karl
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10248 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Karl,
You are a sick man. To take the time to do that so perfectly, clean things so well, every thing looks sano, and not a fuzzy picture. Definite signs you've got it bad.
Seriously, bravo. Another absolutely stellar thread on "how to" that outdoes the Bentley to the 10th power. Thank you in advance, as I will be doing this one day.
Doug _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I used only one tube of the grease for this. I bought two, just in case, but didn't need the second. I'm sure it will get used, though.
You know, this site has been a great help to me. Just trying to pay back a little. _________________ Cheers!
-Karl
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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or you could drill and tap the hub for a zerc fitting, put it all together dry, and pump it full of grease
_________________ lucy our westy
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rubbachicken Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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or you could drill and tap the hub for a zerc fitting, put it all together dry, and pump it full of grease
_________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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metropoj Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2004 Posts: 1343
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:39 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Bookmarked ! Thanks Karl for the amt of time you put into this. Taking pics while getting continually covered with grease is no easy feat !
This is so on my to do list, but the damn list keeps growing on me ! _________________ John.
86 TiiCo powered Westy. |
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BillM Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2004 Posts: 1381 Location: Stonington,CT
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I never use that much grease especially filling in around the spacer. Have always assumed room was needed for expansion. _________________ Bill M
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 17114 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Nice documentation. My feeling is a grease fitting is better suited for maintenance versus doing the job and not prepacking the bearings as described above. Packing by hand, ensures all the wear surfaces are fully coated with grease prior to moving off for the first time.
I haven't tackled the rear bearings on a vanagon for some time, but I usually try to have the area where the grease seals seat and the outer edge of the seal itself free of grease. All to often the seal fit seems to be aggravated when there is grease. Obviously, this was not the case above.
Thank you for taking the time to document the job. It makes it seem like a DIY project for most. _________________ ☮️ |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I can't say that the condition of the hub was "factory" when I tore it apart, but every cavity was full of grease. My thinking was that "more is better" and whatever grease may want to leave the bearings during use, will have nowhere to go. Time will tell. That was my reference at the beginning to possibly having done it wrong. In the Zirc fitting scenario, the complete filling of the hub is implied.
**EDIT** See first step under Figure 7 in the Bentley shot.
-...fill space between inner and outer bearings with multi-purpose grease _________________ Cheers!
-Karl
'84 GL with 2001/2004 Subaru 2.5L
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pablum Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I hope this gets linked to in the FAQ. Well I bookmarked it anyway.
Great commentary, and I hope the pics are safe! _________________ The wise man learns from history, the fool from experience.
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bobbyblack Samba Member
Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4348 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I think this is an awesome document, thanks!
Just one bit I'd like clarification on: You set the races into the hub with the bearing in place. I guess I was brought up being taught to seat the race with the bearing out. Any feedback on this? Is that covered by the type of tool you are setting the race with? Very thin, covering only the race, and not putting force on the other parts of the complete bearing?
Thanks for the thread, I hope, someday, to do as nice a write up. _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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7 mil or even 9 mil gloves will last longer while still giving that natural feel.
NSFW thread, very quickly.
Grease doesn't need to expand, you can pack it that tight anyway,
I concur it's better to hand pack a new bearing, then use the zero to maintain. It _________________ .ssS! |
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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bobbyblack wrote: |
I think this is an awesome document, thanks!
Just one bit I'd like clarification on: You set the races into the hub with the bearing in place. I guess I was brought up being taught to seat the race with the bearing out. Any feedback on this? Is that covered by the type of tool you are setting the race with? Very thin, covering only the race, and not putting force on the other parts of the complete bearing?
Thanks for the thread, I hope, someday, to do as nice a write up. |
In this case, the races are not separate from the bearings like the front hubs. _________________ Cheers!
-Karl
'84 GL with 2001/2004 Subaru 2.5L |
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ZsZ Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Nice and detailed dectription.
Maybe worth to compare to how shops do it: https://youtu.be/q_EyutHLY2A _________________ Zoltan
1.9 MTdi 2wd Multivan (ex Caravelle)
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Forthwithtx Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 717 Location: Fort Worth
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Got a chance to watch that. Noted in the video is that he didn't want to actually show how the repack was done to avoid legal problems.
I'm too much of a careful (read: anal retentive) maintainer to accept a simple swap operation like that. I appreciated the speed of it, but I tend to clean up rust and repaint stuff as I go. Torque values observed, no reinstalling with impact tools, anti-seize, etc. Gotta be able to check it off as "done" for a good long while...
And the "Hammer Time" animation cracked me up!! _________________ Cheers!
-Karl
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CinnabarVan Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2004 Posts: 36 Location: Rochester NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Thanks for the write up and pictures plus the validation that I did right the first time. Redoing a noisy bearing with 500 miles on it. Anyone else had bad luck with Febi brand? My outer bearing went out. Replacing it with FAG bearings
Thanks
Joel
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tpinthepack Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Karl
What was your strategy installing the stub axle back to the housing? Hammer or use the press and hold the bearing race from shifting etc. The famous "Preload" we hear Terry talk about is what comes to mind so I just wonder what you did?
Thank and awesome job.
Tony _________________ TP in the Pack (I am a cyclist)
1968 Manx N.O.S. w/ Barrett Chassis
1960 Single Cab 1914 w/ 40 DLRA's
1990 Vanagon DOKA
1972 Super Beetle
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CinnabarVan Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2004 Posts: 36 Location: Rochester NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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I used a press to press the stub axle into the inner bearing. I put the outer bearing sleeve/run onto the stub axle as far as possible. Drove and Tightened the axle flange with the 46mm nut to snug. Put the wheel back on and lowered it. Tightened the snot out of it by jumping on a cheater bar to get 360 '# torque.
Pretty easy job as they go on the van.
Thanks
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Italjohn Samba Member
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Sodo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Hub Bearing Repack |
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Very nice pics Karl!
Italjohn wrote: |
Only one small thing, the inner oil seal shall be pushed all the way in to the circlip. |
Yes Italjohn, this is very important.
The inboard seal must be appx 5mm below the surface or the seal will be mashed onto the radius fillet of the stub axle.
Also there is appx 5mm tapered lead-in for the seal.
Seal should be about 5mm below the surface.
And here's some clarification about how far to press the outboard bearing in.
The Bentley manual p45.2 is sort of 'wrong', depending upon how you read it.
Here's the logic of why it's 0.5mm.
The most important thing is the spacer should be "loose" in the middle, 0.5mm is "centered" but it doesnt have to be at center, it can be perhaps 2mm eitherway and the rollers will have full contact. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, 2Peloquins, 3knobs, pressure-oiled GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox
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