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xvcs13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:39 am Post subject: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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I'm working on a fuel feed issue on my '71 Ghia which has been sitting for 18 months. Blowing out the fuel line cleared things and I've replaced the hoses and fuel filter while everything was pulled apart.
However, there is a diaphragm/valve inserted in the fuel hoses that I've not seen much info on. The inbound fuel hose attaches to a short bit of pipe on top of this thing, another short hose attaches it to the pump, a hose attaches the pump out line back to this part and a final bit of hose connects to the fuel filter and then to the carb.
I read a fuel cutoff was put in 1971/72 VWs but info seems scarce. The pump itself is an aftermarket sealed item and I'm wondering if this unidentified part is a fuel cutoff or pressure regulator added when the aftermarket fuel pump was replaced by a previous owner.
This bit adds a lot of complexity/difficulty to installing the fuel lines by requiring several really small sections. I'm not sure it's needed at all, looking at other VWs with aftermarket pumps. First, what is it? Second, is it critical? Third, can it be eliminated to simplify the hosing/installation?
Thanks!
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sjbartnik Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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It's an anti-drainback valve.
Keeps fuel from draining back to tank. Earlier cars had these and then on later cars this function was built into the fuel pump, eliminating the need. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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xvcs13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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Ah, thanks! Does that mean with the new EMPI pump I'm going to put in I don't need it? |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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xvcs13 wrote: |
Ah, thanks! Does that mean with the new EMPI pump I'm going to put in I don't need it? |
You can get away without it. But keep it. Someone may want it in the future.
Suggest buying a rebuilt fuel pump from the classifieds. Bill does a fine job rebuilding Pierburg FP's.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2320153
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xvcs13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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Thanks for that confirmation, much appreciated. This'll make the job a lot less tedious.
And yes, I'll keep it! And I'll look Bill's work.
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:54 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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xvcs13 wrote: |
I read a fuel cutoff was put in 1971/72 VWs ... |
And that is what your photo is. Its purpose was to prevent the not uncommon problem of fuel
flowing thru the pump and into the carb, resulting in flooding and fuel-contaminated crankcase oil.
That was especially prone to happen when vehicle was parked on a slope, with tank higher than
carb. VW later had the cutoff valve incorporated into the "non-rebuildable" pumps they used, just like
the pre-71 pumps used in type 1 vehicles had.
I'm not aware of any aftermarket pump that has/had such a feature. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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FreeBug Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:08 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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I've seen them mostly on twin carb type 3 engines, my 1500S had one. I've also heard it described as a vapor-lock solution? |
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xvcs13 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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Ok, that makes sense given I have a '71 and they put them on at least '71 and '72 as far as I've read. But what happened in '73 and beyond? Do they all get these added? And same for any pre-'71 that gets a new aftermarket pump? |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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xvcs13 wrote: |
Ok, that makes sense given I have a '71 and they put them on at least '71 and '72 as far as I've read. But what happened in '73 and beyond? Do they all get these added? |
'73 and '74 mechanical pumps on Bugs (and some other vehicles) had the cutoff valve incorporated inside the pump. Just like it was
on the earlier Pierburg "square-top" pumps. And even before that, VW put an almost identical cutoff valve thingie in Bugs.
Busses with upright engines never had a cutoff valve in their fuel systems, I suppose because the tank was mostly below the carb, and close to the engine, so it was considered unlikely to have fuel gravity flow into the engine, although there are posts by some bus owners here saying it happened to them. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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mikedjames Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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I have heard of upright engines with stock 34PICT-3 carburettors and leaking metering valves in the carburettors, but the usual problem is anything Weber....
Their needle valves rely on a tapered needle resting on the edge of a hole drilled in the valve. As the engine vibrates, a ring of wear appears and then the needle stops working 100% , the float chamber keeps on filling up, especially with a full tank of fuel.
So fuel shutoffs are needed with stock fuel pumps and Weber carburettors.
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xvcs13 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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My Ghia doesn't have a Weber carbs, isn't an upright bus engine nor has other mods. Simply an aftermarket pump and the carb that came from the plant, a Solex 34PICT3.
From what I'm gathering is that it's probably needed in '71 and '72 type 1s--though one person said it wasn't. And probably for aftermarket pumps, regardless of year. |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:38 am Post subject: Re: What is this? Fuel cutoff valve? |
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The VW Solex carbureter needle valves are exactly as described above by mikedjames, and they have the same
wear and leakage problem, which is of course why VW used the cutoff valves. I have seen some very pronounced wear
rings on the needles from used VW carbs. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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