water / meth injection discussion...

[BFB]

i recon im about a month late but just been busy.
so someone said water doesn't burn, but how far does the heat or combustion break down the water? if it doesnt at all then sure, water to steam yata yata but if it does truly break it down or at least some of it then youd be adding hydrogen and oxygen to your fuel mix, which might affect burn a little..
anyone know for sure?
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[HotStreetVw]

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[Dauz]

I think for NA applications, HIGH compression race motors COULD benefit from water/meth injection. But who builds high compression motors to drive on the street (without SS pistons)? VP C12 on the track for NA anywho.. .

[oprn]

The old tractors benefited and many of them were only 5/1 CR.
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[Dauz]

[oprn]

Not yet anyway...

To say that it doesn't benefit low compression engines is not really correct it just benefits them much less. As to whether or not it's worth the effort - that's an individual call based on many variables.
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[Dauz]

I'm not a professional tractor driver, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

[BFB]

as far as no benefits to n/a engines, i have no experience. hell i actually only have experience with wi on just one boosted engine.. but regardless..
even if wi on n/a had no performance gains ive read that the wi cleans the hell out of the cylinders and can have virtually no carbon build up on engines torn down that have run wi. but again, i dont know
but that'd be a benefit
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Forced induction can overcome a lot of obsticles that gets in it's way
"You are the Engineer and the Mechanic.  
Build it your way not the way someone else does it. Their way might not work for you." - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
“ The monkey see monkey do mentality seems to run deep in VW people. "Gene Berg said it was so 30 years ago so thats the way it is" “ - bdkw1

[Wreck]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4C_6cTDEg
Dyno proof .

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[HotStreetVw]

Clonebug spotted the “this segment paid for by snow performance” lol
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[Wreck]

Another clip . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJAwiyhDLLk
It would be nice if Richard Holdner did a video on an NA then boosted engine with nozzles in the runners to get good even atomisation , he does great videos .
I realise Snow are selling a product . I have first hand experience of it helping CHT’s and pinging on an NA engine . It needs to be tuned like anything else .
Meth also has more oxygen than pump unleaded , does the water atomise and burn as hydrogen and oxygen , I don’t know .
But each to there own opinion and experience.

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[clonebug]

RB Racing has a link on their website about Water Injection....it's a long read and if you are interested enough you can look it up.
They have been racing Motorcycles at Bonneville since the 70's......there are even links to the articles using W/I on WW2 aircraft both Axis and Allies.
there is lot's of info packed in there. I based my wiring and activation on one of their diagrams and it has worked well for me removing 100 degrees of inlet temps.
They even talk about all the W/I experts that sell systems to the general public.

I built my own just like RB recommends and it cost about $200.00 at that time in 2013.

Although......as they said....Hobbes switches have gone up considerably in price.

For a good system covering a wide range of boost I recommend two nozzles, two Hobbes and two solenoids for better control. Those alone will cost you around $150.00 or more.
A tank, hose, fittings and a pump will be another $175.00 or more if you buy the high pressure 300# pump.
A cheap 8500 series pump can be had for around $75.00...well in 2013 it was.

I happen to have a used one I'll sell for $50.00 plus shipping. I upgraded to the 300# pump but really didn't notice much improvement so can't say it was worth the extra money.
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[Wreck]

that RB page is an interesting read .
Where I get the most effect from NA WI is cooling . Full load WOT at 3500rpm , being able to maintain CHT's around 175C at high ambient temps indefinitely is worth the hassle to set it up . I'm surprised more bus owners in hot countries don't look into it. By the interest in the new fan on the market I'm guessing some people are having CHT issues .

Totally agree it's not a power adder just by itself but allowing different timing etc , changes that .