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Jonasand Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2016 Posts: 239 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:35 pm Post subject: Questions about sealing cylinders |
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I have a couple of questions after reading about how to seal cylinders.
Cylinder to Head
Am I right that I should not have any sealant between head and cylinder,
only lap with valve grinding compound?
I read SGKent uses copper spray gasket on the head mating surface too help until there is carbon buildup to help seal properly.
I have a couple of scratches on my head mating surfaces,
I'd like to know if this will be a problem and cause leaks or not.
Or if these scratches warrant some kind of sealer to even out even though you normally shouldn't use a sealer?
see pic below
Cylinder to Case
When it comes to cyliner to case, I am not able to lap the cylinders, since I still have the mounting bolts for the cylinders and heads screwed into the case. I'm afraid that if I unscrew them I wont get them back without opening the case.
Will I still be able to seal without lapping cylinder bases?
As for sealant, I have Curil T2, Hylomar Blue and Permatex aviation no 3 at my disposal.
It is my understanding that most people use High temperature RTV though.
I don't have High temp RTV yet (as always its a bit hard to find the brands that are popular in the US here in Sweden so hard to know what is good quality)
will something like this do?
https://www.wurth.se/produkter/kemi/fogmassa/silikon/hogtemperatur/rtv-silikon-super-rtv-plus/#/
Or will it work just as good to use Curil T2, Hylomar or Permatex no 3?
When using either Curil T2, Hylomar, RTV on cylinder bases, should I apply on one side or on two sides of the shim?
Also I read that Curil T2 has replaced both Curil K2 and Curil T. Haven't heard it mentioned before on the forum so I thought I'd just mention it.
Thank you for helping me! _________________ 79 Baywindow, currently rebuilding engine
Type 4 2.0 L FI
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76938 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about sealing cylinders |
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The cylinder slips into the head, that's not the mating surface.
I just built a new Type 1 engine and used Permatex Right Stuff on the base. It's good to 500*F and doesn't shrink. _________________ Glenn
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cmonSTART Samba Member
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50351
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about sealing cylinders |
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You lap the cylinders to the heads and not to the case. If the heads have been resurfaced then lapping to cylinders to the heads should not be necessary. |
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Jonasand Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2016 Posts: 239 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Questions about sealing cylinders |
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Wildthings wrote: |
You lap the cylinders to the heads and not to the case. If the heads have been resurfaced then lapping to cylinders to the heads should not be necessary. |
Ok, thanks then I'll skip the lapping procedure, maybe lapping by someone inexperienced would do more bad then good in this case.
Glenn wrote: |
The cylinder slips into the head, that's not the mating surface. |
Aha, that's good then, was worried that my head builder had done a bad job, but I was wrong then, phew!
About cylinder base sealant;
I'm deciding between "the right stuff" and Curil T2 non-hardening.
One factor is how fast I have to slap heads + cylinders together.
Since I'm a noob I'm thinking that if Curil has a slower "hardening" time I have more room for mistakes. However I'm not sure what time curil has, but TRS seems to cure VERY fast. The instructions in the online store specifies it hardens in 1 minute and has a temp range 59 °C till 232 °C (temporaraly 260 °C).
Curil T2 is up to 270 °C but seems to have longer curing time. Is is non-setting though.
So what to choose?
Also there will be a shim so I guess I'm going to have to apply Curil T2 or TRS to both sides of the shim, right?
About oil pump
Also while I'm at it, may I ask; I have ordered loctite 518 for the oil pump but it still hasn't shown up , so I'll be forced to use something else.
I have access to Curil T2, Hylomar, Permatex, paper gasket from gasket set, and can buy "the right stuff" i a store easily.
What to choose? _________________ 79 Baywindow, currently rebuilding engine
Type 4 2.0 L FI
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