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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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richierich Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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richierich Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
Any idea what brand hose that is? It seems they are all rated around the same 150°C but yours obviously copes just fine. |
It's just some decent stainless braided AN8 off Ebay actually. It's done a couple of thousand miles now with no problems. I can PM you the link if you want? _________________ Blah..... |
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challomoner Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2010 Posts: 1195 Location: IRELAND
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
Torques silicone/glass fibre sleeve with aeroquip fire sleeve over it along with exhaust wrap
Are you using the same? |
I'll have to chase up what stuff I'm using but it's hose and a black heat sleeve with white interior material. It's damn close to my exhaust too. |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 2867 Location: Little Britain
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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richierich wrote: |
UK Luke 72 wrote: |
Any idea what brand hose that is? It seems they are all rated around the same 150°C but yours obviously copes just fine. |
It's just some decent stainless braided AN8 off Ebay actually. It's done a couple of thousand miles now with no problems. I can PM you the link if you want? |
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baz76 wrote: |
UK Luke 72 wrote: |
Torques silicone/glass fibre sleeve with aeroquip fire sleeve over it along with exhaust wrap
Are you using the same? |
I'll have to chase up what stuff I'm using but it's hose and a black heat sleeve with white interior material. It's damn close to my exhaust too. |
Very localised hardening of the rubber, you'll need to bend it both ways to find it I think. _________________ 2276 Beetle build https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=670744&highlight=2276+beetle+daily
2276 EFI Conversion https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=689172 |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 2867 Location: Little Britain
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kangaboy Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 1062 Location: St. Louis, Mo
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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UK Luke 72 wrote: |
Hottest part of the head I could find with the IR gun was 155°C/310°F
Any thoughts on those temps? |
Nothing to worry about there.
Two comments though...on your IR gun, just remember that the cylinder head will cool down more than you think in the time it takes you to get your car to a stop, hop out, and get your IR gun somewhere meaningful.
Second, unless you have your head temp gauge calibrated, just use it more as a dummy gauge instead of an end all be all. Most of those VDO ones dont compensate for variation in ambient temperatures. If it continues to run at temps around 260° on the gauge, but them spikes to 350, you know something is up. Don't over analyze it...you end up staring at it the whole drive and it becomes tiresome...I know from experience. _________________ -74 Standard - "CaliBug" 2084T, MS3X w/FI and Crank Fire
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
that fucking thing looks like it drove through a J.C. Whitney catalogue and hit everything on the way out |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Get one of those meat thermometers and stick it down the dipstick tube..
And check your gauges in boiling water..
Maybe aim your IR temp gun at a couple of different motors.
They will run a bit hot until they break in.
The truth is out there somewhere. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Wreck Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 1211 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Quality infrared guns have a setting to change emissivity , or how reflective the surface is , the trick to getting an accurate reading is knowing the E setting for the surface you are measuring . If it doesn’t then you really are never going to get an accurate reading .
A multimeter with a thermocouple probe is better in my experience . It can be verified in boiling water , get put down the dipstick tube and down beside the spark plug if you can reach there . Even a small hole in the tin over the cylinder head would work well .
Heads change temp very quickly , the CHT may well be higher at idle after a long cruise than at cruise because of the slower fan speed . |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2011 Posts: 2867 Location: Little Britain
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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Teeroy Samba Member
Joined: April 20, 2003 Posts: 3682 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:10 am Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Once all warmed up, your case is going to be about the same as oil temp, maybe a little hotter due to heat soak, its not getting any exterior cooling unless its in a open car like a buggy or baja _________________ Pres. Rivercity VW Club www.rcvwclub.org
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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Alstrup Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2007 Posts: 7183 Location: Videbaek Denmark
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Teeroy wrote: |
Once all warmed up, your case is going to be about the same as oil temp, maybe a little hotter due to heat soak, its not getting any exterior cooling unless its in a open car like a buggy or baja |
No, the other way around, apart from a couple of smaller areas on the case. If you measure case temps on the outside and for arguments sake they measure 80 degrees C. and then you measure oil tmperature inside the case say through the dip stick hole or in the "type 3" filler position, you will notice that the oil is typically about 5 degrees warmer. sometimes even more, I have seen up to 10 degrees difference, but 5 degrees is a good average. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3540 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Depending on setup I could see some variation
For instance, after a hot run here in Houston (it’s hot) my case temps are approaching 200F, but my sump is 175F
Oil temp post cooler is 185F, but oil leaving pump has been 215F |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5291 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:47 am Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Look like it's 'Lean' too _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member
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madmike Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:05 am Post subject: Re: 2276/86b beetle daily |
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Those are good Numbers , Really hard to read plugs with this so called fuel these days I alway shoot for a chocolate brown color if i don't have an A/F ratio gauge _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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