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Achtung360
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 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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Hello, I need help from someone with any experience. I'm still learning.
I'm still new to all things VW. I'm looking for a 67 and found this one about 2 hours away. The vin numbers match but the car is in pieces. The VIN numbers do match.
What I like about this car is there is no rust and I have had to pass other cars because metal work here is extremely expensive. Heater channels, floor panels and support I couldn't find shop to do it less than $10,000.
Please give me feedback on what is right and what is wrong about this car and is it worth $5,000?
Thank You
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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Matching numbers don't mean much when the car is made of patch panels and still needs $10,000 of body work. And then you will still need to paint it. After that you might have a $5,000 car.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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This one looks better for the price imho.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2487310
Either way there aren't many '67 verts out there so you're going to pour a lot of money into an unfinished one.
Best bet is to find someone else's abandoned project and buy it on discount.
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Achtung360
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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| Q-Dog wrote: |
| Matching numbers don't mean much when the car is made of patch panels and still needs $10,000 of body work. And then you will still need to paint it. After that you might have a $5,000 car. |
The guy selling it own a body VW Air Cooled shop that has good reviews. He told me "I bought it for my wife as a project but lost interest."
You are telling me that needs $10,000 in body work? Like I said... Still learning.
I understand $2,500 for a new top but that basically everything out there.
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sportin-wood
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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That's a hard question to answer without knowing more about what kind of work it's going to need. It obvious that there are several pieces hat need to be reinstalled, but I can't tell how good/bad the body work done on it is. It also depends on what your intentions are with it. Are you wanting show quality? Or just a driver that doesn't have to look perfect, just safe & reliable? If the latter, it won't be as costly.
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bigdog1962
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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"No rust".....looks like some of the rust has already been replaced/repaired. How about underneath? And what about the engine?
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rstrobel
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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It also looks like the repairs weren't done well at all. You can see it in this picture. The metal above the fender isn't welded all of the way in. Also, the quarter panel repair doesn't look like it was done well with all of that filler. Lastly, behind the rear window, the patch panel does not look too good. I am not saying this to be too critical, I am just saying it out of personal experience. I would look for a project that is more solid, in your case, because all of the money that you think you'll be saving by buying something like this will be spent by having someone else fix it. You'll probably spend even more money by having someone else do it.
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Achtung360
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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| sportin-wood wrote: |
| That's a hard question to answer without knowing more about what kind of work it's going to need. It obvious that there are several pieces hat need to be reinstalled, but I can't tell how good/bad the body work done on it is. It also depends on what your intentions are with it. Are you wanting show quality? Or just a driver that doesn't have to look perfect, just safe & reliable? If the latter, it won't be as costly. |
There is no rust at the bottom of the car.
Engine is out of the car and starts with 9600208 and is a "single port." The engine looks to be in two pieces. By the time I look at everything with transport I'm looking at 6k. The one on Samba has a VIN that begins with 117 which is for a Sedan. 115 is for a convertible. I can't believe that one. |
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rstrobel
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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It also looks like the repairs weren't done well at all. You can see it in this picture. The metal above the fender isn't welded all of the way in. Also, the quarter panel repair doesn't look like it was done well with all of that filler. Lastly, behind the rear window, the patch panel does not look too good. I am not saying this to be too critical, I am just saying it out of personal experience. I would look for a project that is more solid, in your case, because all of the money that you think you'll be saving by buying something like this will be spent by having someone else fix it. You'll probably spend even more money by having someone else do it. |
It also looks like the front clip was replaced with a klokkerholm one, which don’t fit well and are poor quality. I’d pass on this one.
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Achtung360
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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It also looks like the repairs weren't done well at all. You can see it in this picture. The metal above the fender isn't welded all of the way in. Also, the quarter panel repair doesn't look like it was done well with all of that filler. Lastly, behind the rear window, the patch panel does not look too good. I am not saying this to be too critical, I am just saying it out of personal experience. I would look for a project that is more solid, in your case, because all of the money that you think you'll be saving by buying something like this will be spent by having someone else fix it. You'll probably spend even more money by having someone else do it. |
It also looks like the front clip was replaced with a klokkerholm one, which don’t fit well and are poor quality. I’d pass on this one. |
Thank you for all the great information guys! I'm going to pass on this one. Better to dodge a bullet. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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FWIW no matter what you buy you will find surprises and you will spend more money than you think unless you buy it "done". Even then "done" is never done.
Metal work & body work are what they are and cost what they cost. 10K is not out of the question for a car that needs both and is done right. Finding missing parts that are not reproduced is where you can spend some crazy money and time.
Fine something you like and just tell yourself to put on your seat belt. A month after your done you will not remember the pain as you drive down the road.
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OvalinAz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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I would pass on that based on the pictures of the metal work. if you dont do metal work yourself like QDog said 10k isnt far off on cost to cut all the repairs back out and start over, plus painting it. you can see how poor the quality/craftsmanship is. there are nicer starter cars out there. plus the fact that it is a vert and they are $$$$ to restore, top, rubber, etc.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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Do your homework,before laying any money out.
That car your showing...Id run away..
Converts are $ pits, if you dont know what your look at/for.
Always get opinions.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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PASS walk this car for me needs way to much. By the time you get er done you could have found one done for way less money.
Parts oh boy try and source out type 3 parts, unobtanium.
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ferry
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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Mmm dont do this ! Ive just restored a early 68 convertible and this is not a good car to begin with. Restoring a vert is another game. And what i see on The pictures dont look good ..this Will end up as a 15000 plus euro restauration and maby The Doors Will not close 😂
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Dusty1
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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| Achtung360 wrote: |
What I like about this car is there is no rust and I have had to pass other cars because metal work here is extremely expensive. Heater channels, floor panels and support I couldn't find shop to do it less than $10,000.
Please give me feedback on what is right and what is wrong about this car and is it worth $5,000? |
Can't believe it's gone by so quickly but 40 years ago I bought a '62 Bug with enough stories to write a book and a '70 Ghia that had been rear ended. Two VWs in one day maybe 100 VWs ago. Sold the Ghia for good money 20 years ago. Still have the '62.
Anyone wanna buy a '62? 
Aircooled VW Lesson One:
You can pay someone to screw something up for you or you can screw it up yourself for free.
Aircooled VW Lesson Number Two:
Many of us got into Volkswagens because they're "inexpensive" and they're "inexpensive" to restore and maintain.
That ship has sailed.
Seems VW prices are following Porsche prices ever higher. I understand that. What I don't understand is where they're finding hippies with $100,000 to "invest" in '67 and earlier Busses. 
That makes $20,000 Bugs seem almost reasonable by comparison.
Like I said to begin with, the way to avoid the high cost of restoration is to restore the car yourself. Learn to weld. Learn to do bodywork. Learn to paint.
Learn to dodge your local authorities. They kinda frown on home garages converted to body shops.
Aircooled VW Lesson Number One reiterated:
Aircooled VW Lesson Number Three:
Due to the high cost of a "professional" restoration many of not most VW "restorations" are done by amateurs. That's why there are so many amateur restorations out there.
Professionals might fit your VW in between their lucrative business restoring muscle cars and old trucks.
Convertible VW Lesson Number One:
You would not believe how much it's going to cost to restore that raggedy- ass top. Not unless you've done one or paid for one already.
That '67 isn't too bad aside from those weird clip seams in the quarters. It's got green channels already.
Guy who owns a body shop was doing it for his lady? Give him five grand when he's done with bodywork and paint.
I'd knock $4000 off the asking price because that butt ugly yellow paint has got to go.  |
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wheel607
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:18 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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| $10,000 is CHEAP to have someone else do the work!!! It cannot be done for that amount and you will not find out until it is half done or better. You need to first line up a restoration (credible) specialist who does good work and will be honest with you. Forget the car....find the specialist and get him to find the car he doesnt mind working on. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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You take a risk with this car ..you have no idea why he stopped the welding proces ..
When this was untouched you Will have The correct measures and support the body before cutting and welding ..
Is there a “body fixation “welded in place ?
Check the Doors ( do they open and close ? ) and especially check the rear bolts on The frame ..take off the rear wheel and check for rust ..that body bracket his location is essential on a convertible and you want to be very carefull with replacing it ..if someone cut that out Its already a reason not to buy
that convertible ..
Those M10 bolts adjust the Doors and the Tension on The roof structure when done ..
You need convertible support Channels under the heaterchannels .. are they already welded on The funky green ones ? If not ,be carefull with lifting the body ..it Will flex
Are they already welded one heaterchannel? .Will that fit on The floorplates ?
You need to be very carefull with a vert ,and for this money buy a rusty one ..
Better to start with a rusty car then this one
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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| wheel607 wrote: |
| $10,000 is CHEAP to have someone else do the work!!! It cannot be done for that amount and you will not find out until it is half done or better. You need to first line up a restoration (credible) specialist who does good work and will be honest with you. Forget the car....find the specialist and get him to find the car he doesn't mind working on. |
O.P. is "new to VWs". Heard '67 is the best year (it is) although a '65- '66 on a '67 pan checks off most of the boxes. Non- numbers match? Oh, horrors!
Far as I'm concerned that non- numbers match BS was created (long ago) by some clever seller(s) tryin' to milk every last cent out of their VWs.
These cars were meant to be rebuilt. A rebuild can be a dramatic upgrade, like a '67 body on a '69 pan.
Just because '67 is "the best" doesn't mean a nice solid '69 or '70 isn't better than a '67 re- weld.
Even though I miss my old '67 I wouldn't overlook a newer Bug in the same or better condition for the same money.
Don't tell the guy with the nicely restored '54 that "67 is the best."
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You take a risk with this car .. (truncated)
You need to be very carefull with a vert ,and for this money buy a rusty one ..
Better to start with a rusty car then this one |
I've taken over abandoned VW restoration projects. Abandoned bodywork projects are often destined for the junkyard, not sayin' that this '67 is one of those.
We should save 'em all even if they're reincarnated as Baja bugs or rat rods.
I took over a '69 convertible project after hours while I was doin' R&D for one of the Big Three automakers as my day job. Everything was way off on that 'vert. Nothing would fit. Body was twisted. And, being as an amateur had started welding it in its twisted form it was a lot more work to make it right.
Worked on numerous Busses where the previous owners first bought every available patch panel and then welded them in where ever, how ever.
My pet peeve:
Previous owners who have "done all the hard work" by cutting out the rust before realizing they don't have the tools or the skills to weld it all back together.
Or projects that are for sale with pans and channels cut out. Description says, "Nice rust free car. Just needs pans and channels."
According to a previous owner who has never completed a pans and channels replacement... |
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Q-Dog
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Please help. Should I buy this 67 Convertible? I'm learning. |
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I know this is an old thread and the OP has moved on, but I just noticed the heater channels do not look correct for a convertible. Is the inner door sill reinforcing panel missing? Or are 1967s different from every other Beetle convertible I have ever seen?
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