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shelbygt
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 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:48 am Post subject: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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Is this swap possible? I’m not at all familiar with the 914 but the 2.0 and stronger, 5 speed transmission is sure attractive.
Hope I don’t come across as a complete idiot for asking. |
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crocteau
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:34 am Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| shelbygt wrote: |
Is this swap possible? I’m not at all familiar with the 914 but the 2.0 and stronger, 5 speed transmission is sure attractive.
Hope I don’t come across as a complete idiot for asking. |
It's not impossible, but I'd recommend you search Google first for "upright conversion for VW" and separately for "5 speed transaxle for vw beetle". I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:41 am Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| shelbygt wrote: |
Is this swap possible? I’m not at all familiar with the 914 but the 2.0 and stronger, 5 speed transmission is sure attractive.
Hope I don’t come across as a complete idiot for asking. |
Can be done but very, very expensive.
You can build a new aluminum based type one case with more power for less.
5 speeds are not necessarily better. Air cooled engines need higher RPMs to maintain air flow…
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| shelbygt wrote: |
Is this swap possible? I’m not at all familiar with the 914 but the 2.0 and stronger, 5 speed transmission is sure attractive.
Hope I don’t come across as a complete idiot for asking. |
I would love a dog leg 5 speed in a Ghia (actually I would love a dog leg 5 speed in every car I drive!), it's such a better shift pattern than the conventional pattern. The 901 trans from the 914/911/912 is one of my favorites. But the amount of fabrication work you'll have to do to make the larger 901 fit on the Ghia frame would be extremely expensive if you're paying someone else, or massively time consuming if doing it yourself.
As Braukuche said, a T1 engine with more power will cost alot less than a T4
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shelbygt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| This sounds like a lot more trouble than it’s worth. Thanks guys! |
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DORIGTT
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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Uh, I dunno man, I'm seeing an easy $3-4K of just labor alone in these photos, at a typical $80-100/hr shop rate. And that's after you've spent the time to disassemble your car and give them an empty pan.
30-40 hours can fly by when you're talking about fabricating and mating parts that weren't originally intended to be mated together.
Not saying it's not doable, just that it won't be cheap or easy.
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Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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DORIGTT
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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That's taking one approach.
Buy the parts from Alex and save a lot of fabrication time and such. If that costs 3-4K in labor, you've been robbed.
YMMV.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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Bolt on mounting brackets when all the other sites mention major fabrication and welding?
The link you posted doesn’t work BTW.
I considered doing this on a 356 and it is a hell of a lot of fabricating but that was for swing axle, so maybe on IRS it doesn’t require as much work?
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NoDents
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:57 am Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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Yes, I have a 915 transmission in my Ghia.
All work was performed by Kevin at Coolrydes.
Things I see that were modified:
1. Bottom of bell housing had flat pieces of aluminum added for VW mounts.
2. Frame yoke slightly shaved on the inside for clearance.
3. Bar added under front of trans since 915 mounting studs on bottom.
4. Hole cut in bottom of tunnel for shift rod (much lower that stock VW)
5. Had to clearance body just behind the shift rod access port.
It can be done.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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Uhh, can the 914 transmission be flipped to run the opposite direction?
The OP wants to know if the 914 engine & transmission can be installed in a Ghia, this cannot work without MASSIVE amounts of fabrication.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| NoDents wrote: |
Yes, I have a 915 transmission in my Ghia.
All work was performed by Kevin at Coolrydes.
Things I see that were modified:
1. Bottom of bell housing had flat pieces of aluminum added for VW mounts.
2. Frame yoke slightly shaved on the inside for clearance.
3. Bar added under front of trans since 915 mounting studs on bottom.
4. Hole cut in bottom of tunnel for shift rod (much lower that stock VW)
5. Had to clearance body just behind the shift rod access port.
It can be done. |
Good luck with that.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
Uhh, can the 914 transmission be flipped to run the opposite direction?
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You can flip the R&P. The 901 in the 914 is the same trans that was used in early 911's and the 5 speed '66-69 912's (not '76 912E), as well as the 904 and 906.
These parts would definitely reduce fabrication time. But I still don't see this as being a simple weekend project.
I'd be curious what nodents shop bill was. Not at all asking him to say, just saying. I'm sure having coolrydes do that wasn't cheap, based on the cost of his custom floorpan builds, mendeola suspensions, etc.
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99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
Uhh, can the 914 transmission be flipped to run the opposite direction?
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You can flip the R&P. The 901 in the 914 is the same trans that was used in early 911's and the 5 speed '66-69 912's (not '76 912E), as well as the 904 and 906.
These parts would definitely reduce fabrication time. But I still don't see this as being a simple weekend project.
I'd be curious what nodents shop bill was. Not at all asking him to say, just saying. I'm sure having coolrydes do that wasn't cheap, based on the cost of his custom floorpan builds, mendeola suspensions, etc. |
I’d be more concerned about how well it was done. He has a lot of negative feedback.
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1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:05 am Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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You can flip the R&P. The 901 in the 914 is the same trans that was used in early 911's and the 5 speed '66-69 912's (not '76 912E), as well as the 904 and 906. |
None of the 914 transmissions that I’ve seen have dual side plates on the diff. These are not reversible.
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:49 am Post subject: Re: 914 2.0 engine and transmission into Ghia |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
You can flip the R&P. The 901 in the 914 is the same trans that was used in early 911's and the 5 speed '66-69 912's (not '76 912E), as well as the 904 and 906. |
None of the 914 transmissions that I’ve seen have dual side plates on the diff. These are not reversible. |
It's not an easy job, but can be done. The entire diff needs to be moved to the other side of the ring gear, among other things. You'd be surprised how many times you read on 914world, people who've undertaken rebuilding the trans themselves, accidentally end up with 5 reverse gears because they installed the diff on the wrong side. This is how Porsche used this same trans in both mid and rear engine cars.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135709
https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/298864-flipping-ring-gear-911-901-a.html
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You take apart the tranny and remove the gear stack and intermediate plate. Careful with the paper gaskets as they are color coded and you have to match them with new ones.
Remove the differental and install it on the other side of the tranny.
Reinstall the intermediate plate and gear stack installing the new paper gaskets with the same color coding.
Install the 911 nose cone and adjust the shift forks.
Get a manual as there are some tricky things that need to be set and the sychros should be changed if you are pulling in apart.
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66 Karmann Ghia, L390 Gulf Blue, under construction, here: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=760505&highlight=
99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
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