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vwbug14 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:13 pm Post subject: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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This is my fridge. Just bought it and trying to install.
Is this only DC power?
I installed a converter, 110v to 12v DV to the outlets behind passenger seat.
Don’t think it’s working.
Can I supply 110v to it?
What is the symbol to the far right of the wiring diagram?
Please help
Mike
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vwbug14 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:55 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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So I learned something new. The fridge will work on 12v from the battery while in the 12v position. The heater core has 4 wires going into it, 2-12v wires from the switch and 2-110v wires from the switch. The converter is gone and the wires are spliced for the 110v wires. I installed a converter from a 78 westy so the outlet is is 12v.
Can one side of the coil be dead from PO plugging it directly into 110v?
Can I replace it? Or should I just splice the two heater core wires? Can they be wired backwards?
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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The way I read that diagram the device on the right is a transformer, the square in the top middle is the selector switch, and the rectangle in the bottom middle is the thermostat. As I recall the 12v side had no thermostat action, temp was only regulated on 110v. Since the lable says it's only 12v the 110v was disabled by Dometic before shipment to Westfalia, likely to comply with the rules for camper equipment in a particular delivery location. I don't see a CSA symbol but I do see a UL one so USA market perhaps?
Test both heater elements with an Ohm meter, sometimes the way the selector switch was wired also disabled one of the voltage options. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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vwbug14 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:41 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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So at first I thought that was a transformer or converter symbol on the far right but no I wonder if that is the heater core element. Why would DC go though a converter?
Previous owner said he hooked it up to 110 in garage. I don’t want to kill it or start a fire
What would I expect forms ohms if I measure them?
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Woops, yep, you are correct, supply comes from the left side of the picture.
The thermostat still only controls the 110v side. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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vwbug14 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:39 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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If you look at the pic the heater core wires are different size?? Could this be a 110 or 12v fridge?
The label appears to have 60 hz too????
Will I damage the fridge if I try 110v
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:53 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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vwbug14 wrote: |
Will I damage the fridge if I try 110v |
Yes, if you do it wrong.
It likely has a 12v element and a 110v element, you may have to pull them out and read the numbers on them to figure out which one is which if the wiring has been Mickey moused in the past. Or try connecting 12v to the ends of the wires and seeing which one gets really hot, that would be the 12v one, the 110v one may get a little warm, bot not as much or as quickly as the 12v one.
The lable says 60 Hz because it is a two voltage fridge, but to make it legal in a Westfalia the AC side was never connected and the lable altered to comply with regulations. Some lables have the AC info rubbed off, yours looks like it was printed that way to begin with, but they missed the Hz part.
Camper wiring changed almost monthly in 74, some have an AC plug in the back of the RH front seat pedestal for the fridge, other run solely on DC power, and Canadian models are different still. Seems the rule makers couldn't quite all get on the same page. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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vwbug14 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Okay, I removed the converter and went direct to 110v.
It’s heating up and cooling inside.
No smoke or fire yet.
Looks like it can run on both 12v and 110v.
Time to do some rewiring, undo what I did and go direct to outlet behind pass seat.
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Cool! see what I did there? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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volkybus Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Thanks guys. My 76 only works on 110v & only when hooked to outside power.. now I know more. Bill hi |
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ol'westy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Hello VWBUG14,
I have a similar fridge in my 74 westy. Mine has the 110/12v converter, but it also has 2 of the 4 the white cloth wrapped wires from the DC/AC switch to the heater element cut and joined to the other two wires with tap splices. Does yours have the same "modification", i.e. 4 wires go to 2?
I'd like to get my 110 side working again. but am afraid I might burn out the element by trying. |
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schmidder Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2017 Posts: 9 Location: Folsom, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Hey Guys, jumping in here on this topic, as I just got a 74 Campmobile Westy.
Looking behind the fridge, I see the plug behind the passenger seat. The only thing plugged into it is a power strip that is mounted on the outside of the fridge, over by the sliding door. I do not see a 110v cord to plug into the outlet?
I would assume the 12v is hard wired to the battery and the 110v power has to come from that plug when connected to shore power.
Any help would be appreciated. PO passed away, so i cannot ask any questions for troubleshooting.
Erik _________________ Erik Schmid
Red Bus Brewing Co
Folsom, CA
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:13 am Post subject: Re: 1974/75 westfalia refrigerator question |
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Westfalia didn't put the power strip there so someone's been messing with it, any sign of a transformer in there? Some used 12V from 2 different sources (batt or trans), others used 2 heaters of different voltages (12/110). Sounds like you'll have to dig it out and see how it's wired. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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