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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:58 am Post subject: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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I know this has been covered on some of these 60-61 aftermarket switches, but I haven’t found the proper diagram for the switch I have. I have one with these colored wires:
Black w/red stripe
Red w/white stripe
Green w/white stripe
Solid black
Yellow w/red stripe
Solid yellow
Anyone know what color goes where on this particular switch? |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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none I see have those colors so time to get out the DVM and check
two wires will go for left side turn
two will be for right side turn
one power wire in
one out for the brake lights
you can activate the switch to see which are the turn signal wires and pair them then you have 2 left , one is the goesinga and the other is the goesouta _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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60ragtop wrote: |
none I see have those colors so time to get out the DVM and check
two wires will go for left side turn
two will be for right side turn
one power wire in
one out for the brake lights
you can activate the switch to see which are the turn signal wires and pair them then you have 2 left , one is the goesinga and the other is the goesouta |
Awesome, thanks, Rick. |
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:02 am Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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The 54st actaully is "input" from the brake light switch. Originally it was a black wire with a violet stripe ( and confusingly, junctions into the car wiring at a black wire with a red stripe, but there is ANOTHER such wire in the car's loom for the right rear blinker/stop bulb.
The 54st wire connects to both rear bulbs when the switch is centered. When you make a turn, it is no longer connected, but rather that bulb is now connected to the front bulb and both to the flasher relay. And vice versa for the other side. It might take a bit of work with a multi-meter to figure out exactly which wire was which. Why they just could not make all the wires same as VW's contractors did in the early 60s, I have no idea.
_________________ Andy T.
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:08 am Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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glutamodo wrote: |
The 54st actaully is "input" from the brake light switch. Originally it was a black wire with a violet stripe ( and confusingly, junction-ed into the car wiring at a black wire with a red stripe, but there is ANOTHER such wire in the car's loom for the right rear blinker/stop bulb.
The 54st wire connects to both rear bulbs when the switch is centered. When you make a turn, it is no longer connected, but rather that bulb is now connected to the front bulb and both to the flasher relay. And vice versa for the other side. It might take a bit of work with a multi-meter to figure out exactly which wire was which. Why they just could not make all the wires same as VW's contractors did in the early 60s, I have no idea. |
I wish they would’ve, they didn’t even have to be 100% identical as far as spiraling the stripes, but at least make them the same colors. I’ll have to do even more digging because there’s some other wires in this new WW harness that don’t quite match the original diagram. They have the red/black and yellow/black wires tied together, and the diagram shows those ad being separated, and at both ends of the fuse panel. |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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post a pic of the top side of the switch, are any connecting points visible, like this?
If so you can put the DVM on them and the end of each wire to see at least where the right and left turn signal wires are. And then the in and out. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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60ragtop wrote: |
post a pic of the top side of the switch, are any connecting points visible, like this?
If so you can put the DVM on them and the end of each wire to see at least where the right and left turn signal wires are. And then the in and out. |
I was given this diagram, I’m going to try it to see if it’s correct.
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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Just remember, on 60-61 turn switches, there are no simple lefts and rights. On this you have 4 corner bulbs distinct from each other. So, Left Front, Left Rear, Right Front, Right Rear. _________________ Andy T.
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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glutamodo wrote: |
Just remember, on 60-61 turn switches, there are no simple lefts and rights. On this you have 4 corner bulbs distinct from each other. So, Left Front, Left Rear, Right Front, Right Rear. |
Exactly, I’ll definitely have to play around with it. |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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Easy to tell if that is correct, activate the switch for the right side and check for continuity for that side wire colors.
Back when I was repairing them I had a test board set with lights to check the output of the switch. _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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Ok, I figured I should report back that I got it all figured out. Hopefully this post will help someone else in the future. The wiring is as follows:
Black/red goes to the black/red coming from the master cylinder
Green/white is right front turn signal (factory black/green)
Solid black is left front turn signal (factory black/white)
Yellow/red goes to factory black/red that goes to the rear of the car (right rear)
Red/white goes to factory black/yellow that goes to the rear of the car (left rear)
Solid yellow goes to + on the flasher |
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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thanks for the follow up
Do you know where the switch came from? _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked |
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1960-61 aftermarket turn signal switch |
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60ragtop wrote: |
thanks for the follow up
Do you know where the switch came from? |
I bought it from Bob Koch, he said he got a bunch of these out of Egypt or something like that. |
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