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lboos
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Location: Marietta GA.
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 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:16 am Post subject: org. steering wheel |
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I have a 1971 SB, when I bought it this wood steering was on it, I want an org. style 71 steering wheel back on it. the 71 was the last model to have the old style steering wheel. I know I'll prob. never find an org. one in good condition.
I have seen some repo's. with the horn rim that look pretty good from the pic's.
By looking at these pic's. does it look like an easy swap out ? I don't want to get into a wiring prob. where the horn don't work, or the wrong adapter on the wheel etc.
I'm thinking that adapter with the three bolts came with the wood wheel, not org. equip. ?
From other pic;s I have seen of the org. wheel, the horn wires came out of the center, not between the adapter. how would I feed the horn wire into the center of the shaft ?
Has any one had a prob. swapping out these repo. steering wheels ?
Thanks for any advice.
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Michael Ambrozik
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Location: San Jose, CA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: org. steering wheel |
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| Check out Flat 4. They have very good repop wheels. |
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MattPierce
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: org. steering wheel |
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I think you are good. The super beetle is wired differently, in that it didn't have the wire down the steering shaft like previous years did.
Edit: I know this is true for the '73 and later. In '71\'72 the super beetle was still finding itself. |
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baldessariclan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:32 am Post subject: Re: org. steering wheel |
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The stock steering wheel for 1971 models is a one year only item -- for details, read through the following thread:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9026519&highlight=#9026519
You might be able to get one of the repo. steering wheels to work on your '71, but think that you would likely need to modify the mating turn signal cancelling ring to fit over the larger diameter center "lip" used in the earlier steering wheels. Or, alternately, somehow turn or file down the diameter of that lip in the repo. steering wheel, so that a stock turn signal cancelling ring will fit over it.
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ashman40
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:49 am Post subject: Re: org. steering wheel |
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| lboos wrote: |
I have a 1971 SB... By looking at these pic's. does it look like an easy swap out ? I don't want to get into a wiring prob. where the horn don't work, or the wrong adapter on the wheel etc.
I'm thinking that adapter with the three bolts came with the wood wheel, not org. equip. ? |
On OE or repro steering wheel should bolt directly to the end of the splined shaft. No adapters needed.
There should be the turn signal canceling ring mounted to the underside of your current steering wheel.
You will need to transplant that to your OE wheel (or buy a new one). It is mounted with three screws to the underside of the OE steering wheel. The cancel ring serves two purposes...
1) the tab flips the turn signal mechanism to release the turn lever and allows it to self-cancel.
2) the brass colored contact ring maintains contact with the brass colored horn brush on the face of the turn signal switch assembly. This is connected to the wire coming out the other side of the ring. This wire leads to the horn button.
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From other pic;s I have seen of the org. wheel, the horn wires came out of the center, not between the adapter. how would I feed the horn wire into the center of the shaft ?
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The need for the wire coming out the top of the steering shaft depends on how the horn button is wired. The only question is whether the steering wheel is grounded, or not.
In all cases, the horn button is held off the surface of the steering wheel (not in contact). When the horn button is pressed, it makes contact with the steering wheel to close the circuit and sound the horn.
For the '68-'70 model years the steering shaft & steering wheel were part of the horn (-) wire coming from the horn itself. Grounding the steering wheel sounds the horn. In this arrangement, the horn button is connected to the ground wire coming out the center of the shaft.
But from around '71-later VW changed the path the horn (-) takes. Instead of using the steering shaft & steering wheel the horn (-) circuit passes thru the turn signal switch assembly via the horn brush. This contact the contact ring on the underside of the steering wheel and passes thru the brown wire in your pic above. This wire is connected to the horn button. In this arrangement the steering wheel and steering shaft are grounded. When the horn button is pressed it closes the circuit and sounds the horn.
So if your steering wheel is grounded, you don't need a ground wire coming out the center of the steering shaft.
If you have a wire coming out the center of the steering shaft, you DON'T want the steering shaft or steering wheel grounded because it will be part of the horn (-) circuit.
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vdtran69
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: org. steering wheel |
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ashman40 is totally correct 
I got a Standard 70 Beetle, which is my daily driving car for 44 years  . Last week, after replacing the Steering Box (too much free play) then the horn was sounded continuously. I did even disconnect the brown wire which is in the center of the steering column but no helped. I had to disconnect the brown (horn -) wire (female plug) from the T connector to the steering column assembly in order to stop honking. I was driving without horn for few days to troubleshoot. I was screwed up at the steering coupler (didn't pay attention what bolt was the brown wire was connected to before, my bad for the old age  ).
Sorry, don't know how to post and share photos yet |
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