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sshulk Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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Getting conflicting views … can I use synthetic ATF dexron vi or do I need to use conventional? _________________ 17 years old
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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I guess whale oil is hard to come by these days.
Dexron II replaced Dexron (#B-license). Dexron III replaced Dexron II. Then it gets confusing. Some say yes, some say not really. I could not find a chart that was definitive. Many other forums suggest using Dex/Merc marked oil. My bus is a manual trans so I personally can't answer it directly.
The issue is that the name Dexron is a trademark. No one can publish a label that states "Dexron" unless GM approves it. GM controls the mixture of the oil when they license someone to use their trademark, like McDonald's controls what is in a Big Mac. They let the licenses expire on the earlier Dexron products so they can't control what is in it. If you use any oil be sure to get it from a major supplier like Castrol, Valvoline, Mobil, Pennsoil etc because they are someone with a name to protect. Technically you can't get Dexron B anywhere because it hasn't been made in 50 years due to whaling restrictions. Dexron VI is only listed by GM as backwards compatible in their own transmissions, although it may be backwards compatible in others. They are not interested in the old car market. They sell and license products for newer cars mostly.
Maybe someone will be by with a better answer. A search here on the forum for "Dexron" may answer the question too.
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Tram has me using Castrol Transmax import-multi vehicle ATF in the 003 AT he rebuilt for me. |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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Valvoline Maxlife ATF covers a pretty broad range of applications and is what I have been running in my Vanagon automatic for about 10 years now.
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2200 Location: seattle
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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sshulk wrote: |
Getting conflicting views … can I use synthetic ATF dexron vi or do I need to use conventional? |
I've been using Dex VI for more than a year in a 010 series auto trans, just a
33% difference from your 003. It's been maybe 10k miles. I do believe I ran some Dex VI before that as well. Cracked Diaphragm spring in the forward clutch stopped all my fun. That is a known weakness/failure point in all these transmissions, it was fatigue cycle, not the fluid that took away all forward gears. |
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metahacker Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2010 Posts: 692 Location: san.diego
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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SGKent wrote: |
I guess whale oil is hard to come by these days. |
The Lubegard line of products is based around synthetic sperm whale oil, and was founded by the former head of Mobil Oil Applied Lubrication Research Group.
I have been simply elated with switching to their ATF in my 010.. I found it to be transformative of what was already a properly operating transmission. The performance of this fluid in this application is impeccable.
I can see why the loss of sperm whale oil was such a blow to automatic transmissions back in the day. They really need that stuff, IMO
Several people I know have told me that they worked somewhere where adding a bottle of Lubegard ATF sperm whale additive was either done to every job or done to every job with specific applications.
I can strongly recommend their Synthetic ATF fluid:
https://www.amazon.com/Lubegard-69032-Synthetic-Au...mp;sr=8-12
My recommendation would be to change the fluid/filter twice in a short interval with some driving in between. Due to the retention in the torque converter, doing it twice will be what's needed to essentially be near a full fluid swap.
Also, keep in mind, if you have a lot of miles on an automatic, and then put fresh ATF -- it is highly detergent and you can free problematic substances up. Sometimes people change ATF on an old automatic and it fails in some way. The second rapid change helps to remove any accumulation of schmutz. |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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I can see why the loss of sperm whale oil was such a blow to automatic transmissions back in the day. They really need that stuff, IMO |
They carefully researched many different additives, but one day a sample of sperm whale oil was accidentally mixed in and found to have magical properties. One could argue it was a fluke. _________________ .ssS!
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udidwht Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Synthetic Dexron VI ATF in 003? |
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Run Dexron VI in my 94 Fleetwood 454 TBI w/4L80E
Another trans oil that can be ran in lieu of Dex VI is TranSynd
The old DEXRON(R)-IIIH fluids would start off typically at a KV/100'C of about 7.5-7.8 cSt. By 80,000 miles, they would typically have dropped to about 4.1 or 4.2 cSt.
Typical DEXRON(R)-VI fluid starts off at only about 6 cSt, after 200,000 miles they are typically still above 5 cSt. That kind of data just proves, that DEXRON(R)-VI fluids exhibit far superior performance than the older, DEXRON(R)-III type fluids. _________________ 1972 Westy Hardtop/Type-4 2056cc
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