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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

I just cleaned uo to backing plate of the long wood panel which still has the original paint on it, and I beleive it has the right color for the top of my bus:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Wow, interesting to here the SK692A code is SG/PG.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

StockNazi wrote:
Wow, interesting to here the SK692A code is SG/PG.


A surprise to me too, yeah !! I have exchanged few messages with Lind who confirmed me that.

I will keep this group posted with the paint formula code we are able to get.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

hi everyone, here is a picture of all of the sample I have been able to consolidate in one single picture to help compare the variation colors.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

based on picture -D- and -A- look very very close each other as being L311 sand green,
however I am still wondering if -D- could also be L472 light grey.

what do you guys think ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Sled what technique did you use to strip back to the original paint?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

100% light grey.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

otahuhu wrote:
100% light grey.


you mean L345 light grey ?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Sorry for the confusion I meant beige grey, its definitely not sand green, as you said its a piece that has never really seen the sun, its cut from a subhatch hole at the westfalia factory. Although sand green fades over time in the sun to look more beige, thats a fresh piece so no way thats L311 sand green.

It could only be L472 Beige grey from a swr/bg or L345 light grey in 1959 and it looks more like L472.

I get that you want to get it correct before painting, you've put a lot of effort into your so23 and it looks great. But, you have a very reliable source that's obsessed with original paint, telling you your bus would have a L311 roof, based of a comparison with an original VW paint chip. That would seal the deal for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

otahuhu wrote:
Sorry for the confusion I meant beige grey, its definitely not sand green, as you said its a piece that has never really seen the sun, its cut from a subhatch hole at the westfalia factory. Although sand green fades over time in the sun to look more beige, thats a fresh piece so no way thats L311 sand green.

It could only be L472 Beige grey from a swr/bg or L345 light grey in 1959 and it looks more like L472.

I get that you want to get it correct before painting, you've put a lot of effort into your so23 and it looks great. But, you have a very reliable source that's obsessed with original paint, telling you your bus would have a L311 roof, based of a comparison with an original VW paint chip. That would seal the deal for me.


Normally I would agree but....every single sk692a bus in this thread does not look like sand green on top to me.The Palm green bottom, yes, the sand green no. I have owned several og paint pgsg buses and have one now and the light colour just doesn't look like sand green to my eyes, on computer etc etc. Maybe Lind could park his og paint 58 westy next to the sk692a and take some comparison photos for us. Thay would be cool to see, especially those two buses ; )
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

buseric wrote:
otahuhu wrote:
Sorry for the confusion I meant beige grey, its definitely not sand green, as you said its a piece that has never really seen the sun, its cut from a subhatch hole at the westfalia factory. Although sand green fades over time in the sun to look more beige, thats a fresh piece so no way thats L311 sand green.

It could only be L472 Beige grey from a swr/bg or L345 light grey in 1959 and it looks more like L472.

I get that you want to get it correct before painting, you've put a lot of effort into your so23 and it looks great. But, you have a very reliable source that's obsessed with original paint, telling you your bus would have a L311 roof, based of a comparison with an original VW paint chip. That would seal the deal for me.


Normally I would agree but....every single sk692a bus in this thread does not look like sand green on top to me.The Palm green bottom, yes, the sand green no. I have owned several og paint pgsg buses and have one now and the light colour just doesn't look like sand green to my eyes, on computer etc etc. Maybe Lind could park his og paint 58 westy next to the sk692a and take some comparison photos for us. Thay would be cool to see, especially those two buses ; )


Lind was the one I mentioned who compared his L311 og VW paint chip with an og sk692a bus. Said it was the same, see the bottom of the previous page.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Lind no longer owns "Jakes old westy" but fortunately it is still here in the Pacific Northwest!! Very Happy

it is definitely sand green....no if's, and's, or but's about it. My old bus and one other bus on the east coast are the only original paint SK692A buses that exist, so looking at any of the others is pointless.


Jerome, I am still happy to get you in touch with the current owner (he may chime in here) but that sand green sample looks awfully close to me. Its going to be nearly impossible to get a PERFECT match being on opposite sides of North America, so you may have to just go with the palm green and sand green codes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

The sand green fades a bit different on different buses. Nowhere near as bad as sealingwax red though. Anyway, I compared my paint chip to an area in the door jamb that has less faded paint. I have owned a lot of PG/SG buses over the years, and I am very familiar with it.

clockwise from left: Drew's '58 walkthrough, the repainted Goodrich '58 westy, some SO42, my '58 westy, Jake's old westy, some porsche.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Maybe because the sand green is up top getting more sun its throwing people off? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2...AdAAAAABAI
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

thanks both Sled / Lynd to help demystify this topic.
getting the PGSG bus side by side with the SK692A make it a lot clearer that we have the same color here.

BTW, this evening I painted the sample I got from the paint shop yesterday just to make a more evident comparison.
here are some picture I took on different light in the garage.

-A- = L311 sandgreen I just got from the paint shop
-B- = L311 modified with more white and a touch up of more green and yellow
-C- = L347 Seagull grey (PPG) which is the current top color of my bus
-D- = Original backing plate of the long wood panel - Looks like it is either "L345 light grey" or "L472 Beige grey". these panel came from the roof cutting that westfalia did when building the flap on the roof.
-E- = L518 (Light green) specific to 1963 VW color chart.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

here is what my bus currently looks like:

-PPG L347 Sea gull grey for the top / PGG 312 palm green for the bottom.

with all of that investigation my plan will be to repaint the top section of the bus with sand green then. I will begin that task as soon as I complete the refresh of my 56 cabrio.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Where is that bus on the east coast
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

Quebec?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

vwcru wrote:
Where is that bus on the east coast
If you are referring to the original paint one on the east coast, I think you know the answer to that question. We are still waiting for the owner to gain an appreciation for original paint.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: The SK 692A special paint westfalia Reply with quote

BulliBill wrote:
Quebec?


Yes Quebec, Canada.
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