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runninonpizza Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2021 Posts: 7 Location: WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:33 pm Post subject: how to treat a paint crack? |
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Not really sure whats happening here, but looks like paint has cracked? It's not quite bubbling but there's a line that has cracked in the paint.
I recently purchased this vanagon and the PO didn't seem to want to do any basic waxing / polishing (but the mechanics are quite good).
My plan is to wait about 6 months or so ($$ recoup) and get it professionally repainted / bodywork and give it the refresh it deserves.
Until then, how should I treat this area? I plan on doing a big clean / compound / polish / wax and see what buffs out, but I doubt this is something that will buff out... |
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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Hard to tell what part of the car it is. Appears to be a Flash Silver with the failure just under the sliding window. If this is the case, the rubber has lost its seal and water has been trapped underneath and is causing rust with it bubbling off the paint. Note the rust just under the rubber.
Pull the window, clean off all the rust to bare metal. Prime and repaint with a rattle can masking off so there isn't too much over spray. Then spray some paint on a brush and "dry brush" the area where the tape line is to feather it out and appear less conspicuous. This will look fine from 3' away.
The main thing is to do it now before the rust progresses to the point of needing welding. If and when you get the car painted the body shop will be able to deal with your temporary paint job, but you will have saved a ton of money if they don't have to rebuild the metal in the area. |
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Alaskaberrys Samba Member
Joined: June 19, 2016 Posts: 1001 Location: SE Alaska
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:58 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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Welcome to the Samba!
Lotsa info to be found on this site. 8 pages of dealing with rust, temporarily and permanently here - https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/search.php?searc...=titleonly
I would get a dental pick/screwdriver and peel off the paint that’s lifting to get some Ospho or similar rust treatment on the metal underneath. Then rattle can paint it to seal it up till your in restoration mode. Not pretty, but stops the rust till you afford the time/money for the bodywork. And as DuncanS mentioned - make less work/$$ a year or two from now.
Enjoy your van! _________________ '91 Westfalia, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2.1L 2wd Auto
'91 T3 Syncro Doka, Escorial Green 1.9L TD AAZ “Gremian” (to provoke, irritate, exasperate, vex...) |
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32625 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:47 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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I may wager a guess that this van has already been repainted once (at least in this area).
perhaps a prior rust abatement that is losing it's grip. and the respray has shrunk and cracked. _________________
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3048 Location: MD
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:10 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I may wager a guess that this van has already been repainted once (at least in this area).
perhaps a prior rust abatement that is losing it's grip. and the respray has shrunk and cracked. |
I agree. The solution is to strip the van down to only the chassis, acid dip the chassis, and then paint it. Then reassemble the entire van.
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DuncanS Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2013 Posts: 4583 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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Do you acid dip with the engine and tranny still in? |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:29 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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I think Dan is right, if it's not going to be driven regularly I guess I'd park it in a garage and start exploring for rust with a sharp metal object and some sandpaper folded over a door shim right into these cracks.
This dosn't look like a big problem here, but I'd get a jack out and pull the wheels and explore the wheel wells at the suspension mount areas. I'd want to see all the difficult to rebuild areas critical to the van first. Pull the water drain plugs along the bottom of the rocker skins. Scrub off the dry mud in those wheel wells.
Hopefully you get away with some rusting panel seams in easy to clean out areas and find no holes.
Holes and deep rust pitting will need cut and weld repair, small rust in panel seams can be flooded with a rust converter like Rust Mort by SEM and then seam sealed again.
It seems more daunting untill you dig into it and once you see what your dealing with it's just metal carpentry to fix it. It's down time and not why you bought it but it's part of owning a 30+ year old vehicle. |
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runninonpizza Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2021 Posts: 7 Location: WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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danfromsyr wrote: |
I may wager a guess that this van has already been repainted once (at least in this area).
perhaps a prior rust abatement that is losing it's grip. and the respray has shrunk and cracked. |
Yep, I think you're right. It's on the sliding door, so i'm not _too_ concerned. I was mostly trying to figure out if there's a smart way to prevent it from continuing while I wait for bonus season... ha. |
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runninonpizza Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2021 Posts: 7 Location: WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:03 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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Crankey wrote: |
I think Dan is right, if it's not going to be driven regularly I guess I'd park it in a garage and start exploring for rust with a sharp metal object and some sandpaper folded over a door shim right into these cracks.
This dosn't look like a big problem here, but I'd get a jack out and pull the wheels and explore the wheel wells at the suspension mount areas. I'd want to see all the difficult to rebuild areas critical to the van first. Pull the water drain plugs along the bottom of the rocker skins. Scrub off the dry mud in those wheel wells.
Hopefully you get away with some rusting panel seams in easy to clean out areas and find no holes.
Holes and deep rust pitting will need cut and weld repair, small rust in panel seams can be flooded with a rust converter like Rust Mort by SEM and then seam sealed again.
It seems more daunting untill you dig into it and once you see what your dealing with it's just metal carpentry to fix it. It's down time and not why you bought it but it's part of owning a 30+ year old vehicle. |
Hm yeah, my garage is unfortunately too small to fit "wanda". I'm going to be driving it pretty much every weekend on an excursion... The weather is starting to turn *already* up in Seattle, so I might have to find a buddy's garage to do some quick treatment... I'm sort of afraid of picking this piece off though. Is that the right move? |
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Crankey Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:54 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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You can get the rust mort to wick down into cracks. It's thin as water.
So you might do that and hit these spots with primer for the time being...
Yep I'm in Seattle-ish too. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:58 am Post subject: Re: how to treat a paint crack? |
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any oil product will seal the surface from water and air that promotes the oxidation. and will slow the process, possibly quite some long time depending on product, reapplication and environmental exposure.
even a paste wax would go a long way to sealing it and slowing it down.. for yearrrs
though those products (oils & waxes) need to be noted and addressed and that point in time you go to deal with it. else paint performance will be poor.
in essence in the north east this is a non-issue item and we wouldn't have given it any or much thought.
me, I'd put a spritz of Fluid Film (C) on a paper towel and give it a light rub.
touch up as weather and time requires. _________________
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