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58Olstor
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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:09 am Post subject: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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Hi
My bus has T1 rims. They fit but the axle width will become approx. 2 * 20mm = 40mm wider. I that OK?
The rims are 15" X 4.5"
Torstein Olsen
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NUTSFORBUSES
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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To me, they look like Bus wheels. The off-set is far outside, meaning deep inside. I have "modified" bug wheels on my Bus (the off-set was pushed outward on 5.5 " x 15 " bug wheels) Find the manufacturer name on those wheels if they are VW, and maybe take a picture of the mounted wheels
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NUTSFORBUSES
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| Those aren't Beetle wheels. They look like Porsche 356 style, not sure if they're original Porsche or if they're reproductions. I think most stock bug wheels are narrower than bus wheels. |
They are called MANGLE WHEELS
He posted those after the first images-I have no idea where he is now or what is mounted currently
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mandraks
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Those aren't Beetle wheels. They look like Porsche 356 style, not sure if they're original Porsche or if they're reproductions. I think most stock bug wheels are narrower than bus wheels. |
They are called MANGLE WHEELS
He posted those after the first images-I have no idea where he is now or what is mounted currently |
Mangels wheels are available in 4.5 and 5.5, and yes, they will work on just about any stock bus.
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easy e
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| The first two photos are regular bus 15" rims. |
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FarmerBill
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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The original mangle. When you got your arm caught in it, it was "mangled".  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangle_(machine)
I had a set of 5.5 repop Mangel rims that did fit on my bus, but the tires were dangerously close to the lip of the rear fender. It may have had more to do with the tires than the rims though, I cant remember what size tire I was running. |
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NUTSFORBUSES
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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Mangle or Mangel, I don't like the holes so I did this. Took 5.5" x 15 and moved them outboard, trued them and didn't need to shorten my beam after lowering. Did front and back same, then added disc's all around w 205x65 on rear.
A true RIM JOB easy e
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easy e
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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Mangle or Mangel, I don't like the holes so I did this. Took 5.5" x 15 and moved them outboard, trued them and didn't need to shorten my beam after lowering. Did front and back same, then added disc's all around w 205x65 on rear.
A true RIM JOB easy e |
I'm not a big fan of the later (small slot) 15" & 14" bus rims, but love the big slots of crow's feet rims.
Looks like your rim job lets them tuck under well enough:
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
Mangle or Mangel, I don't like the holes so I did this. Took 5.5" x 15 and moved them outboard, trued them and didn't need to shorten my beam after lowering. Did front and back same, then added disc's all around w 205x65 on rear.
A true RIM JOB easy e |
I'm not a big fan of the later (small slot) 15" & 14" bus rims, but love the big slots of crow's feet rims.
Looks like your rim job lets them tuck under well enough:
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5.5" wide Modded wheels are big enough to allow CORRECT and wider tires. Originally the IRS (installed) was made to fit OG wheels (14") so the width was stock w the exception of an IRS set-up. I have about a thumb of clearance at the lip, inside is not an issue. The front has the same 5.5 X 15"Modded wheels and I used 185x55's vs the 205x65 rears Yoko Avid Ascend GT. I could use bigger in front easily, but I wanted a match and Yoko does not make them. The tires have about 1150 lb rating ea. The 4x disc brakes came after I installed about 180 HP 2332. the motor's low end came from Powerhaus and it's sporting genuine Italian 44's. The Koni's make it ride great. The sound is from Tiger at A1.
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
| To me, they look like Bus wheels. The off-set is far outside, meaning deep inside. I have "modified" bug wheels on my Bus (the off-set was pushed outward on 5.5 " x 15 " bug wheels) Find the manufacturer name on those wheels if they are VW, and maybe take a picture of the mounted wheels |
Hi
Thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry for the late reply.
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width.
There is no manufacturing name on my rims. I thought they where T1 rims, but they seemes to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:48 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Those aren't Beetle wheels. They look like Porsche 356 style, not sure if they're original Porsche or if they're reproductions. I think most stock bug wheels are narrower than bus wheels. |
Hi
Thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry for the late reply.
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width.
There is no manufacturing name on my rims. I thought they where T1 rims, but they seems to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porsche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| mandraks wrote: |
| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
| vwuberalles wrote: |
| Those aren't Beetle wheels. They look like Porsche 356 style, not sure if they're original Porsche or if they're reproductions. I think most stock bug wheels are narrower than bus wheels. |
They are called MANGLE WHEELS
He posted those after the first images-I have no idea where he is now or what is mounted currently |
Mangels wheels are available in 4.5 and 5.5, and yes, they will work on just about any stock bus. |
Hi
Thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry for the late reply.
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width.
I thought they where T1 rims, but they seems to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porsche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| easy e wrote: |
| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
| They are called MANGLE WHEELS |
A+ for your conviction (w/using all caps) |
Hi
Thank you for your feedback  I'm sorry for the late reply.
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width.
I thought they where T1 rims, but they seems to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porsche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| FarmerBill wrote: |
The original mangle. When you got your arm caught in it, it was "mangled". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangle_(machine)
I had a set of 5.5 repop Mangel rims that did fit on my bus, but the tires were dangerously close to the lip of the rear fender. It may have had more to do with the tires than the rims though, I cant remember what size tire I was running. |
Hi
Thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry for the late reply.
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width, but I will measure the distance to the fender.
I thought they where T1 rims, but they seems to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porsche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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58Olstor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Can I use VW T1 bug rims on my T2 1961 bus? |
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| NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
Mangle or Mangel, I don't like the holes so I did this. Took 5.5" x 15 and moved them outboard, trued them and didn't need to shorten my beam after lowering. Did front and back same, then added disc's all around w 205x65 on rear.
A true RIM JOB easy e
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Hi
Thank you for your feedback. I'm sorry for the late reply.
Quite impressing modifying you did 
It seems that there is no problem with a wider axle width.
I thought they where T1 rims, but they seems to be reproduction, Mangels, bus or Porsche rims.
Regards Torstein Olsen |
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