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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: Vintage photos Reply with quote

ahem, it was me....^ Eh?
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This place looks exactly the same today, including "Schutheiss", the pavement and the gaslights...
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Interesting photo. At first glance, this looks like a '63-ish beetle, but I think I see semaphores, and I think those are ice pick door handles, so does this mean someone swapped the taillights for later style? Making this a '58-ish beetle?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Vintage photos Reply with quote

Certain countries required separate amber turn signals, but not Germany, and this car has a D badge. It's possible a neighboring country required them and he travelled there.
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Checking out the competition?

Is that a fancy cig holder she's holding?


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Checking out the competition?

Is that a fancy dig holder she's holding?


Ja, das ist richtig. It's a cigarette holder. And she's holding it the classic European way, fore finger and thumb from below.

Oh, translation of that 1st sentence from German to English:
"Yep, that's right."
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Interesting photo. At first glance, this looks like a '63-ish beetle, but I think I see semaphores, and I think those are ice pick door handles, so does this mean someone swapped the taillights for later style? Making this a '58-ish beetle?


That looks jade or mango to me.
During the 60's, new laws forced german people to add warning lights, turn signals and steering or gear lever locks to their older models.
Today, it's hard to find unmolested early beetles, without having any switch added to the dashboard. Because the "spießigen" (there is no good translation. "prissy, narrow minded, middle class") Germans often kept the changed parts in napkins in their cellar, today you can easily buy egg-style taillights or radio delete covers and dashboard grills wihtout gas gauges in the classifieds - if it was not sold to you togther with the car.
During my last two purchases (1960 and 1961 pearl white), the delete covers and grills have been kept with the cars, packed in napkins.
Today, we are allowed to drive with egg-style taillights, when they are made to blink.
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During the 60's, new laws forced german people to add warning lights, turn signals and steering or gear lever locks to their older models.
Today, it's hard to find unmolested early beetles, without having any switch added to the dashboard.

Pastellgreen, you are a supporter of original-condition VWs and probably know the following.

IIRC the German law went into effect August 1, 1960 that new vehicles sold or manufactured in Germany could no longer use semaphores/trafficators. Probably was a joint law with other Euro countries. That law would've been announced a long time in advance, giving manufacturers time to modify their production tooling and for aftermarket to create solutions such as the semaphore block-off plates, fender-top front blinkers, wiring harness adapters, etc. For the large amount of vehicles already on the road at that time, I don't know what the "grace period" was where semaphores had to be disabled and flashing turn signals had to be retrofitted. In Germany, likely 2 years which was the standard period for the vehicle inspection visit at the TUeV station. If the owner did not perform the retrofits by that time, the TUeV would not grant vehicle usage approval which was indicated by the round sticker on the license plates. Those stickers have the dates and are an easy telltale for police doing curbside or traffic stop inspections.

This is why you see German and European market oval and split window Beetles with the '62 style taillamps mounted down unnaturally low on the rear fenders. The owners used at least one of the existing mounting holes from the heart or snowflake original lamps, and then needed to only drill one other hole per fender.

In the above photo, there is a significant height difference between the two taillamps- the left one being farther down. Quite unlike the "precision work" for which Germans are usually known.
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