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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7839 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:24 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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ahem, it was me....^ _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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finster wrote: |
ahem, it was me....^ |
Oops.
Sorry about that. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1036 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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This place looks exactly the same today, including "Schutheiss", the pavement and the gaslights... |
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sportin-wood Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2010 Posts: 2002 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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Interesting photo. At first glance, this looks like a '63-ish beetle, but I think I see semaphores, and I think those are ice pick door handles, so does this mean someone swapped the taillights for later style? Making this a '58-ish beetle? _________________ .
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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Certain countries required separate amber turn signals, but not Germany, and this car has a D badge. It's possible a neighboring country required them and he travelled there. |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 33883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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Checking out the competition?
Is that a fancy cig holder she's holding?
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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dustymojave Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2007 Posts: 5802 Location: Lake LA, Mojave Desert, SoCal
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Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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KTPhil wrote: |
Checking out the competition?
Is that a fancy dig holder she's holding? |
Ja, das ist richtig. It's a cigarette holder. And she's holding it the classic European way, fore finger and thumb from below.
Oh, translation of that 1st sentence from German to English:
"Yep, that's right." _________________ Richard
Offroading VW based cars since 1965
Tech Inspection 1963 - 2012 SCCA/SCORE/HDRA/MORE/MDR +
Retired from building Bajas, Fiberglass Buggies and Rails in the Mojave Desert. Also Sprints & Midgets, Dry Lakes, Road Race cars. All types New and Vintage
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pastellgreen Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2012 Posts: 1036 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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sportin-wood wrote: |
Interesting photo. At first glance, this looks like a '63-ish beetle, but I think I see semaphores, and I think those are ice pick door handles, so does this mean someone swapped the taillights for later style? Making this a '58-ish beetle? |
That looks jade or mango to me.
During the 60's, new laws forced german people to add warning lights, turn signals and steering or gear lever locks to their older models.
Today, it's hard to find unmolested early beetles, without having any switch added to the dashboard. Because the "spießigen" (there is no good translation. "prissy, narrow minded, middle class") Germans often kept the changed parts in napkins in their cellar, today you can easily buy egg-style taillights or radio delete covers and dashboard grills wihtout gas gauges in the classifieds - if it was not sold to you togther with the car.
During my last two purchases (1960 and 1961 pearl white), the delete covers and grills have been kept with the cars, packed in napkins.
Today, we are allowed to drive with egg-style taillights, when they are made to blink. |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 23752 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9603 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Vintage photos |
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During the 60's, new laws forced german people to add warning lights, turn signals and steering or gear lever locks to their older models.
Today, it's hard to find unmolested early beetles, without having any switch added to the dashboard. |
Pastellgreen, you are a supporter of original-condition VWs and probably know the following.
IIRC the German law went into effect August 1, 1960 that new vehicles sold or manufactured in Germany could no longer use semaphores/trafficators. Probably was a joint law with other Euro countries. That law would've been announced a long time in advance, giving manufacturers time to modify their production tooling and for aftermarket to create solutions such as the semaphore block-off plates, fender-top front blinkers, wiring harness adapters, etc. For the large amount of vehicles already on the road at that time, I don't know what the "grace period" was where semaphores had to be disabled and flashing turn signals had to be retrofitted. In Germany, likely 2 years which was the standard period for the vehicle inspection visit at the TUeV station. If the owner did not perform the retrofits by that time, the TUeV would not grant vehicle usage approval which was indicated by the round sticker on the license plates. Those stickers have the dates and are an easy telltale for police doing curbside or traffic stop inspections.
This is why you see German and European market oval and split window Beetles with the '62 style taillamps mounted down unnaturally low on the rear fenders. The owners used at least one of the existing mounting holes from the heart or snowflake original lamps, and then needed to only drill one other hole per fender.
In the above photo, there is a significant height difference between the two taillamps- the left one being farther down. Quite unlike the "precision work" for which Germans are usually known. |
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