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FreeBug
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:31 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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looks like fun,also like 1.34 rockers and more CR....would be a lot funner.and the valve guides would thank you if they could.
my 2028 that was in my bug when I sold it ran 10.4cr for over 80000 miles fun hard zingger miles...and I sold it a few years back.I talked to the guy who bought it yesterday,(he wants my 356 so I have to make room to get it out for him and make room for another car in the garage) he said he hasent lost a "race" yet.loves blowing away stangs & stuff.
have fun with your buggy but dont forget to go over the entire car real good on a ragular basis . when racing things dont always break...witch means..they may the next time. and that hurts. |
Parting with a 356 to make room for another car? That must be some car.... |
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Mike-O-Rama
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Excellent Job!
I remember thrashing weekly on Tuesday nights, and skipping class Wednesdays to race out at Sears Point aka Sonoma Raceway (Not in an air cooled VW unfortunately)
Play with tire pressure and adjust it as the temperature gets cooler at night
Get a shift light to help shift consistently
See if someone can take video of your car launching, sometimes you see things happening with the rear suspension that you can't feel. |
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frenchroast
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Had some fun at the PIR Friday night drags tonight in the bug. I was the only aircooled there and also the slowest. Lots of mustangs, corvettes, camaro's, teslas, audi's, and a few bimmers. My bug is a bone stock 69 single port except it's now a 1600 and I put on my 30/31 Solex carb. Best time was a 20.462 at 62.38 mph (need to work on my start). One thing that I wasn't expecting was I can't hear my motor over the other cars and I don't have a tach so just kept an eye on the speedo and tried to wring out a little bit beyond the shift points. I did six runs and overall it was a lot of smoky, loud fun.
Video of a run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu4LUDT9ed0
Inspection
Best time
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stevemariott
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Thanks for the tips, Mike-O-Rama!
Frenchroast, that is awesome! I wish I would have known you were heading out there, I would have joined. 6 passes is great, thanks for sharing your video!
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frenchroast
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:10 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Thanks for the tips, Mike-O-Rama!
Frenchroast, that is awesome! I wish I would have known you were heading out there, I would have joined. 6 passes is great, thanks for sharing your video! |
I will let you know! I'm thinking about doing Saturday, 9/18 and avoid the Friday night traffic. Next few weekends have Indy cars, etc. on the calendar.
My goal is to get under 20. I think I can do that with some more practice, dropping some weight off the car, and maybe a minor jet change. This car is so slow I could probably start letting the clutch out on the first yellow. There is a delay between the clutch engaging as the weight shifts back and the car actually moving forward that you don't notice in daily driving.
This is super fun. I'm already thinking about some period-style changes that don't involve opening up the case like an extractor and glasspack, lightened flywheel, ... |
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stevemariott
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| Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Yeah!! Friday nights won't work well for me next month, so I think that works great. Keep it in mind! I'll invite the one local aircooled guy I know that goes to the drags.
Leave all of your tools and misc. out of the car to drop weight. Some simple changes could make a big difference . . . single QP exhaust . . . 010 . . . Kadrons . . . it's a slippery slope!
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I will let you know! I'm thinking about doing Saturday, 9/18 and avoid the Friday night traffic. Next few weekends have Indy cars, etc. on the calendar.
My goal is to get under 20. I think I can do that with some more practice, dropping some weight off the car, and maybe a minor jet change. This car is so slow I could probably start letting the clutch out on the first yellow. There is a delay between the clutch engaging as the weight shifts back and the car actually moving forward that you don't notice in daily driving.
This is super fun. I'm already thinking about some period-style changes that don't involve opening up the case like an extractor and glasspack, lightened flywheel, ... |
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frenchroast
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Yeah!! Friday nights won't work well for me next month, so I think that works great. Keep it in mind! I'll invite the one local aircooled guy I know that goes to the drags.
Leave all of your tools and misc. out of the car to drop weight. Some simple changes could make a big difference . . . single QP exhaust . . . 010 . . . Kadrons . . . it's a slippery slope!
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Having some more AC folk would be nice! Will DM you next month.
For power/weight ratio, I left the spare and tools in the paddock last time but could also easily drop the seats too.
Been thinking through my plan. I have an 009 but I think the stock distributor is better so will leave that in (unless I can find some data that proves otherwise, it's easy enough to swap in and out and get actual times to prove or disprove). I want to progress through changes to see the comparative changes (minus driver inconsistency, skill). First, I'll bump the main jet up one notch - 120 to 122 - before I leave home and try that out. I can change the idle from the 55 to 60 at the track. Air volume is probably fine with stock valves but I'm going to put a tennis ball on the lid just in case it can get some more air in and the motor can make use of it. I don't have my old Thunderbird header and single QP anymore so am looking through CL for one. Probably put a 125 or 127.5 main jet in with that.
Might look for another aircleaner, strip out the fiber and run it dry. Or make a velocity stack and put a vent hose out the bottom somehow. Not sure. Need to think that through.
I got out my copy of the Fisher book last night and it shows that a stinger makes a difference too. Might try that. It's easy enough to change at the track but a QP is a must for daily driving. I.e. if it's too loud, you're too old. |
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:53 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Congrats on making your dream happen. 👍👍
I tried taking my buggy to the local track, but the head safety guy was a complete dyck. Because it's an open top car, he treated my car like an 8 second altered and said no even though it has a full cage and full cell. He said it had to be a funny car style cage. I thanked him for his time, pointed to the USFRA inspection stickers and told him I'll just take it back to Bonneville and run on the salt again. He looked perplexed |
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67rustavenger 
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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What is the inspection criteria for PIR?
Let's cement a drag date for Sept. 18 2021. The 19th is a Sunday
I wanna take on that Fn dune buggy. I'm gonna get my A$$ kicked. But it still would be fun to have a race against it! 
French Toast, I gotta Bengie that says that you cannot beat better than 6 seconds behind my 67! 
Make it happen guy's and girls!
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frenchroast
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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What is the inspection criteria for PIR?
Let's cement a drag date for Sept. 18 2021. The 19th is a Sunday
I wanna take on that Fn dune buggy. I'm gonna get my A$$ kicked. But it still would be fun to have a race against it!
French Toast, I gotta Bengie that says that you cannot beat better than 6 seconds behind my 67!
Make it happen guy's and girls! |
Hmm interesting wager. I'm bringing the 330i then! 
I don't know what the official inspection criteria is but the inspector walked around my car once and when I asked if he wanted to see the battery hold down he said as long as it's in the stock location he doesn't worry about it. He just wanted to see the motor - and laughed when I opened the lid. An S4 in front of me was required to wear a helmet and 70 dodge swinger was too. There was a 2000-ish convertible corvette - no roll bar - and he just had to wear a helmet (Slalombuggy should come down here). I think I was the only one there not required to wear a helmet. Make sure your windows can roll all the way up. If it's open even a crack they stop you before the waterbox. |
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Dauz
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Congrats on making your dream happen. 👍👍
I tried taking my buggy to the local track, but the head safety guy was a complete dyck. Because it's an open top car, he treated my car like an 8 second altered and said no even though it has a full cage and full cell. He said it had to be a funny car style cage. I thanked him for his time, pointed to the USFRA inspection stickers and told him I'll just take it back to Bonneville and run on the salt again. He looked perplexed |
Eff that guy..
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Wreck
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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| slalombuggy wrote: |
Congrats on making your dream happen. 👍👍
I tried taking my buggy to the local track, but the head safety guy was a complete dyck. Because it's an open top car, he treated my car like an 8 second altered and said no even though it has a full cage and full cell. He said it had to be a funny car style cage. I thanked him for his time, pointed to the USFRA inspection stickers and told him I'll just take it back to Bonneville and run on the salt again. He looked perplexed |
A friend has had the same issue with a FVee , they put a not formula spec engine in it for fun events , it would be be too quick for the drag scrutineers to run in a straight line without arm restraints and the same roll sort of cage forward of the drivers head . But he can race it on the circuit right next door in the same complex with multiple cars battling around corners , go figure ! |
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stevemariott
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| Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Frenchroast, that all sounds good! Next month it is!
Slalombuggy - thanks! Sorry to hear about your local track - your buggy and the fab work you've done to it looks amazing, I can't believe they turned you away.
67rustavenger, YEEAAH, IT'S ON!! Glad to have you join! Saturday, September 18, anyone else want to come out?
I'm sure the tech for your car is like Woodburn's. Like frenchroast said, the battery hold down is one thing the tech guy will look at - I saw him check that out on every car. I would just make sure that everything looks safe and solid, and that you've got hose clamps on all of your fuel connections.
The tech inspection sheet had well over a dozen (two dozen?) things to check off, but most of it didn't apply to my car because it's aircooled and the engine's in the back. Here's the info posted on the PIR website:
https://portlandraceway.com/?/events/upcoming_events/drags
https://portlandraceway.com/file/214/Basic_Tech_2020.pdf
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What is the inspection criteria for PIR?
Let's cement a drag date for Sept. 18 2021. The 19th is a Sunday
I wanna take on that Fn dune buggy. I'm gonna get my A$$ kicked. But it still would be fun to have a race against it!
French Toast, I gotta Bengie that says that you cannot beat better than 6 seconds behind my 67!
Make it happen guy's and girls! |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:04 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Congrats on making your dream happen. 👍👍
I tried taking my buggy to the local track, but the head safety guy was a complete dyck. Because it's an open top car, he treated my car like an 8 second altered and said no even though it has a full cage and full cell. He said it had to be a funny car style cage. I thanked him for his time, pointed to the USFRA inspection stickers and told him I'll just take it back to Bonneville and run on the salt again. He looked perplexed |
................................................................................................................some of these tecks.at drag strips dont know there ass from a hole in the ground. yet they let these fiber glass 32 ford guys race with out a roll bar. with big block motors . or these kit cars with fake roll bars . v8 guys dont like getting beat by a 4cyl. vw . drag racing is fun till you break some thing. lol most ofv the time its the transaxle spencerfvee |
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NJ John
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Some tech guys are like, “ I don’t know this guy, he could be trying to sneak a 10 second car in here”.
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67rustavenger
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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I'm trying to invite a few other like minded friends for the Drag Day!
Xevins wife Xatie is worried she'll break her trans. But we'll see if they come along and spectate.
I have a grudge with a buddy. Daniel still has a 65 cruiser in his garage. But now enjoys the Dodge family of hotrods. If he shows up. He'll be bringing a 70's Truck, he claims hasn't been beat by any street car.
There's also a coworker that has a 72 beetle. Doug sports a 2180 build that is patterned after a Berg setup. Doug claims it's a 13 second car.
I'm gonna twist his arm, to come along.
I gotta change one of my rear fenders. It's damaged and rubbing on my left rear tire. But with a three day weekend coming up. I'll get that done.
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stevemariott
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| Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:04 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Sounds good, 67rustavenger!
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frenchroast
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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| Update: the rain forecast looks real for Saturday so I am making other plans for tomorrow night. Lots of Fridays and another Saturday before end of October, though. In between showers this weekend I plan to play with the new dyno app; I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. |
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stevemariott
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| Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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Sounds good. Let's keep an eye on the weather and we'll figure out another date.
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| Update: the rain forecast looks real for Saturday so I am making other plans for tomorrow night. Lots of Fridays and another Saturday before end of October, though. In between showers this weekend I plan to play with the new dyno app; I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. |
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67rustavenger
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| Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: Re: My Experience Drag Racing |
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a Aw well, we need the rain anyway!
Frenchroast, How does the app know the RPM's and torque?
Never have spent more than $2.00 on a phone app. $14.99 would be a step up.
Cheap bastard that I am!
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