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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10968
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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rcooled wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
The seller says he's not a VW expert. He's a 356 restorer! |
I can only imagine what his 356 "restorations" must look like. With vintage Porsche prices being what they are these days, he'd never get away with with a half-assed job like this. The purists in the 356 community would instantly rip a car like this to shreds if it were put up on BaT |
He better hope none of his prospective customers see this thing. Maybe that’s why he came up with a one time moniker for BAT? _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9602 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Blue '73 Coupe. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-volkswagen-karmann-ghia-13/
Looks like it'd be a fun driver, though I don't see any rear sway bar to balance the handling of the HD front one. I wonder if the front deep dish wheels would not fit in the rear due to tire sidewall to fender edge interference? |
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overboost Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2021 Posts: 178 Location: Huntersville, NC
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Can't quite figure out what he was doing with the tail light lenses
Not hard to replace though... The car itself looks better than mine for sure... _________________ The older I get... The faster I was... |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10968
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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overboost wrote: |
Can't quite figure out what he was doing with the tail light lenses
Not hard to replace though... The car itself looks better than mine for sure... |
Car looks dry but took a whack to the nose. You can see where they lap welded on a new nose. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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overboost Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2021 Posts: 178 Location: Huntersville, NC
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Braukuche wrote: |
overboost wrote: |
Can't quite figure out what he was doing with the tail light lenses
Not hard to replace though... The car itself looks better than mine for sure... |
Car looks dry but took a whack to the nose. You can see where they lap welded on a new nose. |
You guys see everything. I am always impressed at the level of knowledge here on this forum. _________________ The older I get... The faster I was... |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
Joined: March 07, 2004 Posts: 13943 Location: Southampton U.K.
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jaket3 Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2018 Posts: 125 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:24 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Photo 58 is mad. Never seen a battery moved to the front before. Why would you go to that trouble? |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3009 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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jaket3 wrote: |
Photo 58 is mad. Never seen a battery moved to the front before. Why would you go to that trouble? |
I don't know what benefits would make it worth all that effort but being that far forward would certainly have an affect on weight distribution. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10968
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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jaket3 wrote: |
Photo 58 is mad. Never seen a battery moved to the front before. Why would you go to that trouble? |
Guess he has flat proof tires. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4105
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2493 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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kingkarmann wrote: |
$26k final price. |
About right I guess. Half the price of a really nice one. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3009 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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To me this is likely a decent Ghia. It seems like a good platform to move forward and improve. The price seems fair but there's a lot of unknowns. After my experience with my purchase, I take exception when sellers are not open and don't disclose the true condition and history of a car, especially on BAT. This one seemed foolish on the sellers part. When asked for a picture of the back of the nose, he submits a picture of the horns and a picture of each inner fender. Later requests were ignored with no comment. I think that if the seller had been more forthcoming, the car might have gone higher. I hope the buyer will be happy with the car. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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rcooled Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2493 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Marcdeb wrote: |
This one seemed foolish on the sellers part. |
This guy was only in it for a quick flip. He didn't know Ghias very well, and didn't know how to run an auction properly either. And it probably cost him a bit in the end too. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10968
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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rcooled wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
This one seemed foolish on the sellers part. |
This guy was only in it for a quick flip. He didn't know Ghias very well, and didn't know how to run an auction properly either. And it probably cost him a bit in the end too. |
I'm just glad to see that the buyer didn’t get suckered into overpaying just because it was shiny.
If flippers get away with selling polished turds then the market will get flooded with such cars and guys doing quality work which is more expensive will get shorted. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
Retirement is here!
1956 Ghia
1959 SO-23 Westfalia
1960 double cab
1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
1967 21 window less rusty now |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Braukuche wrote: |
rcooled wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
This one seemed foolish on the sellers part. |
This guy was only in it for a quick flip. He didn't know Ghias very well, and didn't know how to run an auction properly either. And it probably cost him a bit in the end too. |
I'm just glad to see that the buyer didn’t get suckered into overpaying just because it was shiny.
If flippers get away with selling polished turds then the market will get flooded with such cars and guys doing quality work which is more expensive will get shorted. |
I agree with all these comments. I have to say, too, that the supposed previous owner's post was smug and imperious and it rubbed me the wrong way. And why NOT chime in during the auction to add some levity about the car if it's so misunderstood? This whole auction and the players in it including the supposed PO are suspect and I'm glad to see it's over. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
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Marcdeb Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2019 Posts: 3009 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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67 Florida Deluxe wrote: |
Braukuche wrote: |
rcooled wrote: |
Marcdeb wrote: |
This one seemed foolish on the sellers part. |
This guy was only in it for a quick flip. He didn't know Ghias very well, and didn't know how to run an auction properly either. And it probably cost him a bit in the end too. |
I'm just glad to see that the buyer didn’t get suckered into overpaying just because it was shiny.
If flippers get away with selling polished turds then the market will get flooded with such cars and guys doing quality work which is more expensive will get shorted. |
I agree with all these comments. I have to say, too, that the supposed previous owner's post was smug and imperious and it rubbed me the wrong way. And why NOT chime in during the auction to add some levity about the car if it's so misunderstood? This whole auction and the players in it including the supposed PO are suspect and I'm glad to see it's over. |
To me, when a seller on BAT doesn't chime in, it just makes me wonder what he or she is trying to hide. He did not address hardly any of the questions that were asked. Fortunately this kind of auction does not happen often on BAT. _________________ Marc
68 Karmann Ghia Cabrio Autostick
71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
71 Ghia Vert Restoration: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726710&postorder=asc |
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67 Florida Deluxe Samba Purist
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: Gainesville and Tampa, Florida
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Marcdeb wrote: |
Braukuche wrote: |
If flippers get away with selling polished turds then the market will get flooded with such cars and guys doing quality work which is more expensive will get shorted. |
To me, when a seller on BAT doesn't chime in, it just makes me wonder what he or she is trying to hide. He did not address hardly any of the questions that were asked. Fortunately this kind of auction does not happen often on BAT. |
This goes to Braukuche's point. Hopefully, auctions like this that call out the deficiencies and legitimate questions that went unanswered (or answered like a press secretary and bolstered by fuzzy additional photos strategically omitting or obscuring the questioned areas), flippers trying to win big on turdy cars will be dis-incentivized.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with posting a marginal car on BaT as long as the seller is honest about it and not trying pull a fast one or puff it to be more than it is. That's what I appreciate about BaT, being able to ask legitimate, substantive questions about the true integrity of the car. The seller's "integrity" will get fleshed out by how they handle the inquiries. It provides for better transparency than any other kind of auction format. _________________ -Kent (BaT "daleallen")
OG member of the '67 Posse
A few of my toys, past and present
'56 Oval, '66 KG Conv't, '67 21-Window, '67 Bug, '79 SuperVert, '55 Pre-A Continental |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7527 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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You can always spot when a non-VW shop restores a VW, eh?
We do something different than the rest of the car world (even Porsche guys) and I'm not sure what it is.
We've been described as 'intelligent weirdos'.
Not sure that's entirely wrong.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
What’s That Noise?!? |
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overboost Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2021 Posts: 178 Location: Huntersville, NC
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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Clatter wrote: |
You can always spot when a non-VW shop restores a VW, eh?
We do something different than the rest of the car world (even Porsche guys) and I'm not sure what it is.
We've been described as 'intelligent weirdos'.
Not sure that's entirely wrong.. |
I think the word you're looking for is "honest". _________________ The older I get... The faster I was... |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4105
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Karmanns & Bring-a-Trailer Auctions |
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overboost wrote: |
Clatter wrote: |
You can always spot when a non-VW shop restores a VW, eh?
We do something different than the rest of the car world (even Porsche guys) and I'm not sure what it is.
We've been described as 'intelligent weirdos'.
Not sure that's entirely wrong.. |
I think the word you're looking for is "honest". |
I revisited this auction
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-volkswagen-karmann-ghia-convertible-8/
The seller seemed to answer most of the inquiries.
Probably his most “honest” answer was he wasn’t very familiar with Karmann Ghia’s. He’s a Porsche guy. The resulting restoration lead me to the conclusion he’s just not passionate enough to really concern himself with correctness. If he had it for the 8 years claimed doing his own work he likely made a tidy profit. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
Mike Gerson
What is your "Bespoke Reality"? |
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