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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:33 am    Post subject: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Helping a friend, and he just installed a restored Bosch 034, and a Volkzbitz Solex 34 pict 3 combination. The Solex has stock jets.

We timed the stock 1600 dual port to 30-32 full advance at maximum (idle sets between 5-6 degrees BTDC), and the carb rpm’s were set to 900, and I’m pretty sure it’s timed properly, and the carb is adjusted per Volkzbitz instructions.

The issue is that the engine will backfire if you give it quick acceleration, and the motor seems to smoke a bit out the tailpipes with what is obviously unspent fuel. Running too rich and so rich at rapid full throttle that it backfires.

The exhaust is one of those Empi’s with the four exhaust pipes, so could this have any back-pressure problems?

Also, the accelerator pump linkage is adjusted to full squirt, so I wonder if this has anything to do with the issue.

Valves are right in at .006.

Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

It can't hurt anything to try adjusting the acel pump, take a pic of where it was before you start so you can put it back if it makes it worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

I just called my friend, and today he’s going to adjust to the middle position to see if that helps.

He seems to think the back pressure of the Empi muffler may have something to do with the issue. I’ve never had anything other than a stock exhaust, so I have no experience with funky mufflers doing bad things.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

If it's backfiring when the motor is still cold with an Empi exh. tells me the heat riser isn't getting hot causing the fuel to puddle on manifold floor causing lean then rich, his symptoms. The aftermarket heat riser mounts arn't staggered like stock German (#3 is closer to head than #4 to cause a neg. pressure and draw the heat through). Have him feel the riser.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Star, I asked him this morning if his heat risers were clear, and he said he’d checked and they were. But you’re talking about heat transfer from the Empi exhaust, right? I’ll mention it to him.

I’m also wondering if his fuel pump pressure is so high that it’s circumventing his cutoff valve on top of the carburetor, just under the valve top. Seems to me that if his pressure was way too high that the valve could be constantly forced open. We’ll test it Monday when I get back to his place.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Tim Donahoe wrote:
Star, I asked him this morning if his heat risers were clear, and he said he’d checked and they were. But you’re talking about heat transfer from the Empi exhaust, right? I’ll mention it to him.

I’m also wondering if his fuel pump pressure is so high that it’s circumventing his cutoff valve on top of the carburetor, just under the valve top. Seems to me that if his pressure was way too high that the valve could be constantly forced open. We’ll test it Monday when I get back to his place.

Thanks,

Tim


Yes, if it's cold under the carb the gas will fall out of suspension and equal distance mounts will just pulse the exh. gas back and forth keeping the center cold. Make sure the accelerator pump starts squirting as soon as the throttle starts to open. If all seems good pull the plugs and look for a lean plug might be a bad wire. Does the 034 have the retarded #3 maybe he has #1 in #3 because the drive was put in 180 off.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Tim Donahoe wrote:
The issue is that the engine will backfire if you give it quick acceleration, and the motor seems to smoke a bit out the tailpipes with what is obviously unspent fuel. Running too rich and so rich at rapid full throttle that it backfires.

Is the backfire coming from the exhaust or out the carb/intake?

Intake backfire can be caused by:
    Lean mixture. If this only happens during acceleration it points to the accelerator pump not squirting fuel immediately.
    Intake valve open when the air-fuel is burning. This could be from a stuck valve or an intake valve set too tight so it doesn't actually close.
    Incorrect firing order. Two or more wires are crossed. Double check firing order at the distributor cap.
    Cross-fire. Check that sparks are not jumping between plug wires and causing a cylinder to fire out of order.


Exhaust backfire requires combustion to happen in the exhaust. This requires three things: unburnt fuel, air and enough heat to ignite the air-fuel. Not too uncommon for unburnt fuel to be in the exhaust along with a lot of heat, but air should never be there. At not near the heads. Look for carbon streaks at exhaust pipe junctions. These indicate a leak that may allow air back into the exhaust where it can be ignited along with fuel.
You can really tell if there is an exhaust leak by downshifting with the throttle closed. This tends to create a strong vacuum in the intake. During valve overlap that vacuum will draw exhaust gases back into the cylinder. This draws air into the exhaust thru any leaks. That air make a backfire possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Well, it looks like the main issue was a vacuum leak at the manifold. The owner has that all plugged up nicely, and the engine is running much better. He still reports a slight stumble upon acceleration, but this may be the result of a cold engine with not thermostat. Tomorrow, we’ll temporarily install a restored (by Sparxwerx … spelling is wrong, no doubt) Bosch 034 that I have to see make sure my friend’s 034 is okay. Personally, I think his distributor is okay, but … whatever.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

Here’s a photo of my friend’s 1600 DP with a restored genuine Bosch 034, and a restored Volkzbitz Solex 34 pict 3 carburetor.

The engine is running fine now.

Tim

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

So, last evening, my friend sent me a text that read: I went out later and started the engine, and it died. It wouldn’t restart,

Awhile later he texted again: looks like I was out of gas.

Well … okay.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: New distributor/carb problems. Reply with quote

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