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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:05 am    Post subject: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

I was getting everything sorted for my engine and discovered I have two types of conduit. Some with open seam and some closed.

So what conduit is correct for an April 54? When did they change?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

Ha, ha - there was once a thread on this and I knew the answer, but forgot, by now - my guess is the open one is for a type one, through ( at least) 1958 as that metal-conduit was not used on later shrouds, but instead the ignition wires fed through rubber eyelets, mounted on the shroud - someone will know, eventually - I'll keep looking - z
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

Did some more searching a came up with a discussion on flange size. The closed seam one in my photo appears to have the wide flange. I will take a closer look at that detail tonight.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=365582

Anyway it is looking more like the open seam one is correct for 54. Maybe the closed seam is a very late 36hp?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

… and I asked Eric, at Bughaus, where I buy my parts and he also, was not quite positive, but said it goes by end-flange size and he thought the one with the smaller flange, was correct for a '54- I looked in my VW, 1958 parts book and no mention of flange size, but did indicate , the same part was used in a type 2...

… i'll bet, it was a running change - not mentioned anywhere - z
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

Nothing on this part mentioned in Progressive Refinements. What I recall is that there also was a difference in the clamps for the conduit. If the front facing piece had a nut on the end it was later design. I doubt there would have been a difference between a Beetle vs Bus conduit. Why would that have been purposeful?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:24 am    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

The clamps did change. A 36 had the small clamp with sheet metal screws.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=390346&highlight=tube+clamp

Bus and beetle will be the same. Figured there are a lot more 54 beetles around than 54 buses so that is why I asked here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

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Nothing on this part mentioned in Progressive Refinements. What I recall is that there also was a difference in the clamps for the conduit. If the front facing piece had a nut on the end it was later design. I doubt there would have been a difference between a Beetle vs Bus conduit. Why would that have been purposeful?


… like I said, that conduit musta' been a running change in production and not worth noting any where in PR or better yet, by Garwood, in Car of the Century - the smaller flange appears to be the older one - z
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

sgellis wrote:
The clamps did change. A 36 had the small clamp with sheet metal screws.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=390346&highlight=tube+clamp

Bus and beetle will be the same. Figured there are a lot more 54 beetles around than 54 buses so that is why I asked here.


Just to confirm even though it's in the thread above:
'54 would be the clamps with the machine screw/nut
All of the tin would have the welded-on nuts too.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

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The clamps did change. A 36 had the small clamp with sheet metal screws.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=390346&highlight=tube+clamp

Bus and beetle will be the same. Figured there are a lot more 54 beetles around than 54 buses so that is why I asked here.


Just to confirm even though it's in the thread above:
'54 would be the clamps with the machine screw/nut
All of the tin would have the welded-on nuts too.


I read through those threads got the impression the clamp change was between 25hp and 36hp. If the nut continued into 54 on the 36hp then I wonder when the change happened. Progressive refinements does not mention anything to do with tins.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

sgellis wrote:
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sgellis wrote:
The clamps did change. A 36 had the small clamp with sheet metal screws.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=390346&highlight=tube+clamp

Bus and beetle will be the same. Figured there are a lot more 54 beetles around than 54 buses so that is why I asked here.


Just to confirm even though it's in the thread above:
'54 would be the clamps with the machine screw/nut
All of the tin would have the welded-on nuts too.


I read through those threads got the impression the clamp change was between 25hp and 36hp. If the nut continued into 54 on the 36hp then I wonder when the change happened. Progressive refinements does not mention anything to do with tins.


It's definitely early 36hp too but not sure exactly when it changed.
I believe sometime in 1955 but I haven't tried to research it fully.

It may be talked about in the 54-55 engine thread
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=179439
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

Open vs. closed seams and whether weld nuts are on the tube clamps have been covered previously.

Also, the length of the wire entry slot and width of the flared ends vary by year.

For the record, both Feb '54 and Dec '54 tubes are identical, with open seams.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

ZENVWDRIVER wrote:
tasb wrote:
Nothing on this part mentioned in Progressive Refinements. What I recall is that there also was a difference in the clamps for the conduit. If the front facing piece had a nut on the end it was later design. I doubt there would have been a difference between a Beetle vs Bus conduit. Why would that have been purposeful?


… like I said, that conduit musta' been a running change in production and not worth noting any where in PR or better yet, by Garwood, in Car of the Century - the smaller flange appears to be the older one - z
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Sorry, wasn't ignoring your contribution, I was actually trying to back you up.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Plug wire conduit changes Reply with quote

tasb wrote:
ZENVWDRIVER wrote:
tasb wrote:
Nothing on this part mentioned in Progressive Refinements. What I recall is that there also was a difference in the clamps for the conduit. If the front facing piece had a nut on the end it was later design. I doubt there would have been a difference between a Beetle vs Bus conduit. Why would that have been purposeful?


… like I said, that conduit musta' been a running change in production and not worth noting any where in PR or better yet, by Garwood, in Car of the Century - the smaller flange appears to be the older one - z
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Sorry, wasn't ignoring your contribution, I was actually trying to back you up.


thank you tasb - z
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