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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:33 pm Post subject: new to the forum |
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So, now being retired, I decided to get a bug..
I had one back in the 70's while I was in college, 1200cc, 36 hp engine..
Not exactly high performance, but it got me everywhere I wanted to go, never let me down.
Back then, I did all the maintenance on it myself, so I have some experience with it, but it was quite a while ago...
Nevertheless, I got myself a '73 standard bug, according to the data plate it came from Germany. Found it via FB marketplace, about 60 miles from my home, checked it out, and we made a deal. It's in decent shape, floorpans and heater channels are solid. It starts and runs ok, but the brakes are iffy, so I decided to have it shipped to my home, instead of taking it 60 miles down the freeway..
So, I'll surely be back with questions, once I get started on it.
I'm in the N KY area, close to Cincinnati
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13837 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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The 73 is fine and dandy car. Take you time and to it right. Make it mechanically safe. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 852 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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From here it looks like that paint will buff out! Keep your eye on Craigslist for the glass if you don't have it, West Coast Metric for the rubber if it's gone. Original German parts are preferred, but difficult to locate. You're gonna enjoy that car big-time! _________________ '73 super. |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Thanks for the tip, but the glass and new rubber comes with the car, I just have to install it. |
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Tom K. Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2005 Posts: 1599 Location: Central Pennsylvania
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Here you go..
Have only one.
From what I could find out, it's a 1600, single port.
I'm planning on installing a 2 carb setup, maybe even switch to dual port heads.
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 852 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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"I'm planning on installing a 2 carb setup, maybe even switch to dual port heads."
You won't regret it. _________________ '73 super. |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13837 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Looks like most of it is there...Ahh one respray also. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Igpoe Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2019 Posts: 852 Location: South Boston, VA
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:23 am Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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I could be wrong but the paint appears to be the original. _________________ '73 super. |
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Tom K. Samba Member
Joined: March 10, 2005 Posts: 1599 Location: Central Pennsylvania
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Michael Ambrozik Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2020 Posts: 631 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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That is not the OE engine. The OE would of been a 1600 dual port. Has a after market dizzy (009), so it is going to have a flat spot on accel. Can not tell what carb is on it. The fuel pump is for a generator, but if it works with the alternator then fine. It also probably doesn't have the thermostat and flaps. Rear tin is missing the hole for the stove pipe and hose to the air filter.
I welcome you back to the hobby and The Samba. |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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I read somewhere on the web that the 1973 non-superbugs got the 1600 single port engine...
And this is a regular bug, with the old front suspension.
But I can't find that article anymore..
I'll know more once I have it here, and can take down the engine number.
Aftermarket "dizzy" ? dizzy=distribuitor ? |
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Shane Tuttle Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2011 Posts: 172 Location: Arlee, Montana
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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All original or not (i.e. the distributor), it looks REALLY solid.
In my opinion, brakes and mechanical stuff is what I would prefer to deal with rather than rust. From the looks of your pics, that body is in great shape.
"Dizzy" is slang for distributor.
I was in the same boat about 1.5yrs ago. Left the scene for roughly 20 years and now getting back to restoring my '74 Standard Beetle. My take is I would rather have the front beam/torsion arms instead of struts.
Have questions? Ask away. But, be warned: I would do some research, first, on prior posts to make sure it hasn't been asked all the time (like, what oil to use). |
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AutoMechanic Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2019 Posts: 483 Location: Roanoke Virginia
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Looks solid. That’s a nice beetle for sure. Can’t wait to see the progress and updates on it. |
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12451
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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MTT3107 wrote: |
I read somewhere on the web that the 1973 non-superbugs got the 1600 single port engine...
And this is a regular bug, with the old front suspension.
But I can't find that article anymore..
I'll know more once I have it here, and can take down the engine number.
Aftermarket "dizzy" ? dizzy=distribuitor ? |
Wrong answer DP engines began in 1971 for all U.S. market type 1s and type 2 as a one year only preceding the 72 1700 type 4 engine. |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:27 am Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Ok, thanks for all the answers..
Like I said, I'll know more once I get it into my garage.
And, yes, I plan on taking care of the brakes first.
It already has been converted to discs in the front, but my guess is that the rear brakes are done.
And I will probably pull the engine, to see what state the clutch is in, and at that point also change the transmission mounts.
Next will be the seats, because they are totally shot...
Will be posting about the progress, of course |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Ok, so my beetle arrived today...
The battery it came with was dead, so Installed a new one, cleaned the terminals, and it started right up..
But after running for about 5 minutes, it died, and wont start again...
I'll have to check all the connections, and replace the grounding strap from the engine to the body, it looks really crappy.
And I believe there also is a grounding strap between the body and the engine/transmission ?
Also checked the engine number, it's F0721355...
From what I could find out, not a 1600, but a 1300..
Can anybody here confirm that ? Thanks !
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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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F is 1300 cc for US market and guess what 85.5 pistons and cylinders are direct fit to replace the little 77mm P/C . You could machine the little 1300 heads but those had smaller valves so we just upgraded to 1500 or 1600 head either single or dual port. Then you’ve a got a bastard engine with the small oil galleries and a too small oil cooler unless someone installed a step stud and used the later better doghouse cooler. The interchangeably is good and bad, some guys fuck up and create problems. We built many F case engines into 1600. Hell we even made 40hp 1600s but that’s a whole different story. |
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MTT3107 Samba Member
Joined: September 20, 2021 Posts: 250 Location: KY
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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Ok, Zundfolge 1432, thanks for that info !
For now, I will just try to get that engine to run properly, and get the rest of the car ( brakes, etc.) into good shape.
Upgrading the engine will come later. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4003 Location: WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: new to the forum |
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The tank out let might be clogged with rust, get a container, remove hose to carb and place in container and ground coil wire, then have someone crank the motor and see if you are getting gas, no gas or just a trickle, remove other hose (the one from tank) from fuel pump and blow in it and have a helper remove gas cap and listen for bubbles. |
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