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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:31 pm Post subject: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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I've been trying to find a picture of either system installed in a curved windshield Super, and neither company has one (at least not a very good one). If someone is running either system, could you please post a pic of what the underdash unit looks like? And, your thoughts on your system? The latest info I can find here at the Samba is over a year old, and I was looking for any fresh input. I will be putting a system in a stock 75 Super convertible with a stock 73 motor. Thanks! |
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Michael Ambrozik Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2020 Posts: 631 Location: San Jose, CA
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Thanks, I've looked through their site, but what I asked for was a decent pic of the unit installed in a curved windshield Super. There is only one pic, and it's a crappy one, on their site. I just wanted to see what the unit looked like installed inside the car. |
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Weezle Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2014 Posts: 685 Location: ORLANDO
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Weezle wrote: |
the gilmore evaporator is mounted in the trunk. you then run three hoses into the interior by drilling large holes about 3"each. the center vent in the dash is used and you attach two new vents under the right and left dash. Thats all thats in the interior: hoses and vents. |
Thanks. It's obviously different from other underdash units I've seen before-maybe the first units offered were a one piece unit that went from side to side. This sounds much less intrusive. |
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Weezle wrote: |
the gilmore evaporator is mounted in the trunk. you then run three hoses into the interior by drilling large holes about 3"each. the center vent in the dash is used and you attach two new vents under the right and left dash. Thats all thats in the interior: hoses and vents. |
What are your thoughts about the Gilmore system? I'm glad to hear that it takes up so little room inside the cabin because like you I'm over 6 feet tall and 230 pounds, so every inch counts in there! Also like you I live in Florida, so even with a convertible I want a/c in the car when it's done. I really appreciate your reply, and I remember your Forrest thread back when you did it originally. Thanks again. |
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infiniteLoop Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2020 Posts: 265 Location: Empire State
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:03 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Thanks! It's hard to believe that the vents are so small. I know the older units went all the way, from side to side, across the bottom of the dash, using up what little room was already there. |
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Beeble1 Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2012 Posts: 577 Location: Manteno, Illinois
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:00 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Mark 75 Super Convertible wrote: |
Thanks! It's hard to believe that the vents are so small. I know the older units went all the way, from side to side, across the bottom of the dash, using up what little room was already there. |
Here’s my original DPD system - mounted under the dash. The nice thing is nothing is mounted in the trunk, so I don’t loose any storage space.
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wheel607 Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 1845
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:52 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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I actually think DPD units are the best. Were made in San Antonio, Texas, a very hot part of the country in or around 1975. Our dealership installed MANY of them in the 1970s............really about 80% of new vehicles were sold with a DPD unit inside. |
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infiniteLoop Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2020 Posts: 265 Location: Empire State
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:59 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Does anyone know the specific compressor that is used on the air cooled vw kits? All of the Domestic auto kits have the swash plate.Toyota's have the scroll which is the best. I have seen old vane styles in pictures but as far as trying to ID a rotary for retro fit I can't find a maker. Panasonic supposedly made them at some point in time.
Edit: I found a maker of rotary vanes.
http://www.valeocompressors.com/en/dkv-series |
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Beeble1 wrote: |
Mark 75 Super Convertible wrote: |
Thanks! It's hard to believe that the vents are so small. I know the older units went all the way, from side to side, across the bottom of the dash, using up what little room was already there. |
Here’s my original DPD system - mounted under the dash. The nice thing is nothing is mounted in the trunk, so I don’t loose any storage space.
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That's different from the other unit I was thinking of-I've never seen that one. It looks the most factory of any of them. |
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infiniteLoop Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2020 Posts: 265 Location: Empire State
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chicagovw Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Chicago IL/CHandler AZ
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:54 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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I went with the ICE system as it seemed better integrated and does not take up any trunk space. It was a job to install it, but it works great.
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vamram Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 7276 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:03 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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chicagovw wrote: |
I went with the ICE system as it seemed better integrated and does not take up any trunk space. It was a job to install it, but it works great.
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chicagovw Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Chicago IL/CHandler AZ
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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Thank you. It works quite well, too-puts out plenty of cold air. |
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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chicagovw wrote: |
Thank you. It works quite well, too-puts out plenty of cold air. |
no components in the trunk? Wow! Great looking install, and I love your interior! |
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Mark 75 Super Convertible Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2014 Posts: 198 Location: Cleveland/Fort Myers Beach FL.
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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vamram wrote: |
chicagovw wrote: |
I went with the ICE system as it seemed better integrated and does not take up any trunk space. It was a job to install it, but it works great.
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Wow that looks amazing. [Found the link http://iceautoair.com/] |
I was just reading the installation specs. Can a car with your a/c system be lowered? Is yours lowered? |
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pshupe1 Samba Member
Joined: March 18, 2021 Posts: 1 Location: Florida
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am Post subject: Re: ICE and Gilmore A/C systems. |
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I live in Florida and have a 71 Super. I found an a/c company in Largo, FL near Clearwater. Coldmasters.com. They have kits of every description and one suited for a bug at around $600.00 - 202 model I believe.. That does not include the compressor mounting bracket and extra pulley that I bought from Gilmore for $249 - compressor & $129 for the pulley and belt. So my total was about $900. I picked up the kit so no shipping etc. It has the Sanden type compressor, plug in wiring, hoses, dryer, condenser ( I am making the aluminum frame like Gilmore's picture), and the evaporator fits nicely under the center dash and all the bolts and hose fittings. My evaporator is only about a little over a foot wide. Believe it will do fine. Gilmore sent to their install instructions PDF too. |
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