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wchvojka Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2018 Posts: 11 Location: Bozeman
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:55 am Post subject: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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I am rebuilding my engine and decided now would be a good time to replace the clutch. I am moving away from the rigid type clutch to the spring type clutch made by Sachs. I am keeping the existing pressure plate since I believe it is still relatively new.
My question is, does it matter wether or not I have a "collar" type plate or "non-collar" type plate for the new spring clutch? The one I have now is a Non-collar type plate.
Next question, which one of these plates would have been stock on a T1 71 Super Beetle 1600cc engine?
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76935 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:09 am Post subject: Re: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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The collar is removable.
If.your current doesn't have a collar you need to remove it on the new one. _________________ Glenn
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mukluk Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7028 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: Re: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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You can use a sprung or unsprung disc with either type of pressure plate, it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is you match the pressure plate type to the correct type throwout bearing and associated bits.
1971 was the last year to use the collar type pressure plate, VW went to the non-collar with the 1972 model. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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mukluk wrote: |
You can use a sprung or unsprung disc with either type of pressure plate, it doesn't matter. |
True for the most part. But the newer Sachs disk with the 4 bigger springs, rather than the 6 smaller ones, is
incompatible with the 3-arm pressure plates (with diaphragm or coil springs, thrust ring (collar) present or not).
mukluk wrote: |
1971 was the last year to use the collar type pressure plate, VW went to the non-collar with the 1972 model. |
I'm pretty sure 1970 was the last year for the pressure plates w/collar. _________________ '67 bug: seized by the authorities
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13848 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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On the spring type clutch disc....I have had one of the springs let go. Also on the spring type take a close look, the spring type only has 3 rivits to transfer power. The rigit type has 8 rivits. Me personally would rather have more rivits sharing the power verses just 3 rivits. Look at the link
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26787 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: 1600cc Pressure Plate Types |
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Somewhere around 1971 the throwout bearing design was changed so the throwout bearing rides on a guide tube.
The collar is NOT used with this new design.
It can be identified visually be looking in the transmission. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76935 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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