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Bug53
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 Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:04 pm Post subject: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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In your experienced opinions what is the best full flow option for installing it on my 68 Bug with a 1600DP.
I am avoiding the no drill and tap systems and plan on pulling my virtually brand new pump to tap and block the port and also drill and tap my case ( in car) with the aid of low pressure air and a good shop vac to clear any chips away.
I personally do not want any more manufacturing mistakes from EMPI. I'm EMPI'd out. |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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Best is to tape the case for the return and get a Shadek pump that cast for full flow. Get a remote filter mount and have a local hydraulic hose shop make your hoses to you specified length and fittings.
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esde
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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I’ve done the tapping with the engine in the car several times, but since CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports… I haven’t had to tap an assembled engine. It’s just too easy.
But if you’re committed, you can tap it.
Like Glen said, get good hoses. I buy from discounthydraulichose.com and find the prices to be cheaper than the berg set, and I can specify the exact length and ends I want.
Good luck
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Glenn
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| esde wrote: |
| CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports |
The last engine I built, 1776, i was going to use a filter pump, but since it didn't clear the exhaust, I went with a CB in/out and it works just fine for that application.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/maxi26early.htm
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Bug53
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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Hey, that's a cool product.
Too easy.
I was looking at mounts for the filter flange but don't like the thought of the ones that mount to exhaust flanges.
Probably inside the drivers side fender? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| Bug53 wrote: |
| Probably inside the drivers side fender? |
Works for me.
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Bug53
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| esde wrote: |
I’ve done the tapping with the engine in the car several times, but since CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports… I haven’t had to tap an assembled engine. It’s just too easy.
But if you’re committed, you can tap it.
Like Glen said, get good hoses. I buy from discounthydraulichose.com and find the prices to be cheaper than the berg set, and I can specify the exact length and ends I want.
Good luck |
I'm only seeing pump assemblies with 3/8" NPT threaded in/outs. What am I missing. |
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Bug53
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| Bug53 wrote: |
| Probably inside the drivers side fender? |
Works for me.
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Nice. Looks like a replaceable element filter housing.
Exactly where I was thinking of sticking it.
Lines touching the exhaust no problem? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| Bug53 wrote: |
Nice. Looks like a replaceable element filter housing.
Exactly where I was thinking of sticking it.
Lines touching the exhaust no problem? |
The filter is a Canton Mecca with a replaceable element.
The oil lines pass between the #3 and #4 pipes and do not touch. I had the lines custom made so they are no too long. I also put the mount where the line clear and got a mount with right hand ports vs left hand ports... again for line management.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| Bug53 wrote: |
| esde wrote: |
I’ve done the tapping with the engine in the car several times, but since CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports… I haven’t had to tap an assembled engine. It’s just too easy.
But if you’re committed, you can tap it.
Like Glen said, get good hoses. I buy from discounthydraulichose.com and find the prices to be cheaper than the berg set, and I can specify the exact length and ends I want.
Good luck |
I'm only seeing pump assemblies with 3/8" NPT threaded in/outs. What am I missing. |
My mistake, the larger pump is 3/8 and the smaller one they used to list had 1/4" ports. You're fine w the 3/8" npt ports, as thats the size fitting you get in the cover and case with a traditional full flow system anyway.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| esde wrote: |
| Bug53 wrote: |
| esde wrote: |
I’ve done the tapping with the engine in the car several times, but since CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports… I haven’t had to tap an assembled engine. It’s just too easy.
But if you’re committed, you can tap it.
Like Glen said, get good hoses. I buy from discounthydraulichose.com and find the prices to be cheaper than the berg set, and I can specify the exact length and ends I want.
Good luck |
I'm only seeing pump assemblies with 3/8" NPT threaded in/outs. What am I missing. |
My mistake, the larger pump is 3/8 and the smaller one they used to list had 1/4" ports. You're fine w the 3/8" npt ports, as thats the size fitting you get in the cover and case with a traditional full flow system anyway. |
They still make the ones with 1/4” outlets. Due to space (type 3) I am going to run one to a filter only. Hoping the smaller outlet isn’t going to be an issue… |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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On my 1641 engine, the no-drill/tap 26mm in/out cover plate style CB Maxi3 with the 1/4" ports keeps the pressure at the pressure switch port at expected levels, without needing larger fitting diameters. I wouldnt worry too much.
The filter and Mocal thermostat sandwich plate is about 18" from the pump (its a bus.. ) and the cooler is another 4 feet away, using 1/2" pipe and fittings beyond the pump.
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Bug53
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Want to install Full flow filtration on my 1600 DP Bug |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| esde wrote: |
| CB introduced the in/out maxi pump with 1/2” ports |
The last engine I built, 1776, i was going to use a filter pump, but since it didn't clear the exhaust, I went with a CB in/out and it works just fine for that application.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/maxi26early.htm |
Just received my CB full flow in/out pump. Can't wait to get it installed.
I also took the lead from Glenn and installed a temp sensor in the top of my filter housing. The EMPI unit got returned and I obtained the better quality Derale unit.
I already had a 14-1.5 tap for chasing drain plug threads so it was easy.
Thanks for the recommendation guys |
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