KEP and RLR black magic disc

[58ragman]

So im getting ready to do a balance job on my motor but have no fly and clutch.Which brings me here and to the question.How much power will a kep stage 1 1700 lbs plate with a real rlr black magic disc hold. was trying to decided if im in the order of a street 6 clutch . was looking for actual users to chime in on how well it works on the street.

[madmike]

I've used that set up before and it holds fine up to 500 hp,, according to Ron
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[58ragman]

yes i know bout the street 6 holding to 500 hp but i was asking bou a regular stage 1 kep with a RLR BLACKMagic Disc

[buguy]

I can tell you in a couple of days. I just installed mine on the engine last night and should have it back in and ready in a day or two. I called and spoke to Ron before i bought mine and he said he has guys running them on nearly 500hp with a stage 1 pressure plate. I put down 242hp to the wheels last time on the dyno, and plan to make about 50 more. I will mention too that my stage 2 and center force was holding it fine until the rear seal failed and oiled it down.

[txoval]

I have no where near that much ~165hp, but it holds perfectly and it is smooth to operate.

I did shim my pressure plate with Berg shims to set the proper depth.

[buguy]

That's good to hear. Ron told me it won't drive like a stock clutch.

[Stripped66]

Black Magic disk and a Stage 2 chattered a lot on the street. Likewise, sintered disks with the Rev 6 chattered on the street. Rev 6 with the street discs drives like a stock clutch.
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[74 Thing]

Make sure you shim it appropriately to get the most from your set up:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737451&highlight=pressure+plate+shim

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=730313&highlight=clutch

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2373244

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1892862

[mcmscott]

That disk is heavy, very heavy. It kills synchro rings in a hurry, and will cause missed shifts, I dont recomend it for almost anything.
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[Teeroy]

My stage 1 with a Daikin disc is holding 3 years later at 185-190 flywheel hp
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[KEGZ]

I'll tell you one thing for sure, do NOT use a chromoly flywheel with the black magic disc. ONLY use german chromium vanadium steel. Chromoly is too soft and you'll slip and burn/blue the flywheel side.

[buguy]

So after a few days of driving on a stage 1 and a black magic. It really seems pretty normal driving around. Reverse for me chatters just a bit, but only as it is just engaging. I haven't beat on it yet to see if it's going to hold or not.

[58ragman]

Hello Fello bro cool you got it all going. for sure be sure to let me know the low down on the magic disc and stage 1 plate. did you shim it out 30-40 thusandths for max grip

[58ragman]

cool beans man lmk

[txoval]

I have had zero issues with mine as said above (drive ability wise).

Definitely curious to see how yours holds up to your HP

[Paul.H]

[58ragman]

[buguy]

I did shim mine out .030". Ron recommends 100 miles to bed it in, so I'm still trying to get that before i really let it have it.
The stage 2 and centerforce (same as a copperhead) i had was holding pretty well before i got oil on it. I ordered the black magic because i hadn't pulled the engine yet and just assumed it was too much for that set up. Which i do feel i was at the line on anyway. I plan to ramp this up to 25-30 psi so I'm going to need something that can handle it. If i could justify it, i would have bought the street 6 dual clutch, but that is around $1700 and i just couldn't see spending that for me. I'm a bit of a tightwad!

[Paul.H]

For a true street car I'd wait till I burned up a Stage 3 and Daiken before going to any puck or iron discs. put the time and effort into installing a hydraulic clutch if it's too much on your foot

[KEGZ]

I drove the BM + STG 1 on the street for a long time. No trans issues or chatter. I used to sand blast the disc after the track, however. Maybe after couple track days.