Clutch problems

[jrob83046]

72 Beetle. Let me see if I can explain this. I have a hard to push pedal. When I got to checking it has a 1/2" spacer between the wing nut and the arm. I took the nut off. The cable itself seems to be free and works easy not hooked up. The arm itself has the return spring on it. The arm stands straight up and down.
With the cable sticking through the hole on the couch arm the threads part on the cable is right at the hole in the arm. When I put the nut on without the spacer it goes all the way to the floor. If I put the spacer back on the adjustment is close but the pedal is hard to push. It goes in gear fine and shifts ok just hard to push.
It is almost like the cable is too long. Is there anything inside the housing that could cause this?

[Q-Dog]

Cable length changed through the years. Also, lots of parts are interchangeable but don't necessarily work together.
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[Lingwendil]

Measure the length of the throwout arm on the trans- later ones were longer for reduced pedal effort, and early ones were shorter. Also make sure the bowden tube is in place and has adequate sag in place. You may have too short of an arm installed.
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[VW_Jimbo]

The above advice is solid. I just want to add one item.

With the doors closed and the windows rolled up. Also, engine off. So, dead silent. Push the clutch pedal slowly and listen. Any sound of screaming steel? If not, carry on. If you do hear the steel screaming, get back to me.
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[jrob83046]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I will check all of them I can and post what I find. I have a 70 model also. The clutch in it isn't near as hard to push in. I just went a checked a friend of mines also. He has a 69, 72 and 73 Super Beetle. They all feel about like my 70 model so I definitely have something wrong. Thanks

[jrob83046]

I was just looking at clutch arms on ebay. The arm on mine has a round hole in it. Look's like the one for a 72 model has a diamond shape hole in it. Can't tell anything about the length of it. Is there a thread that explains the difference of the arms? I can see where if the arm is too short or the cable too long would be a problem. Still will check the stuff yall said. thanks

[Cusser]

Remember, pressure plate for a 1972 transmission would be one without a center ring. You may find that a new PP works better, and make sure you have the correct clutch cable too.
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[ashman40]

A quick search on CIP1 and the correct clutch cable for a '72-'74 Beetle is this one:
https://www2.cip1.com/vwc-111-721-335-c/
According to the description this cable is 2282mm long. Consider pulling the cable from your car and measuring the overall length. If it is longer than 2282mm... get a new one. How do I know you need a new one?? The longest stock Beetle clutch cable was the '72-'74 cable! All other model year Beetles cables were shorter!

If your cable is 2282mm long, try ordering one of the shorter ones from another model year.
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[Jimbug57]

[jrob83046]

Ordered new clutch cables for my 70 and 72. Going to look make sure I have the correct ones. I have a feeling on the 72 the motor is going to have to come out and see if anything is wrong. If I put the new correct t cable in and it works free and is adjusted right to the arm something has to be wrong inside the bell housing I think. Just don't know what. I would guess pressure plate.

[jrob83046]

Ordered a new Bowden tube and have the correct clutch cable . Tomorrow I am going to take the nut off the clutch cable and see how easy the pedal works. I hope it is in a bind and not something inside the housing. The clutch is hard to push but it goes in gear good and shifts fine.
I am not sure if it is the right arm on the throw out bearing shaft. I believe it has a round hole in it and not the diamond shaped hole. Am I right in saying if it has the diamond shaped hole you use the wing nut and if it has the round hole you use the double nut set up? Thanks for the help.

[Cusser]

[jrob83046]

I thought maybe the wiing type was to be used with the newer diamond hole shaped arm. Seems like the nut wouldn't turn with it but I don't know.